Coconut flour ok during induction?

[chadcs]

This brings up questions about other foods such as black soy beans. They are not the same as regular soy beans which are in an OWL rung. They contain 1 gram of carb per half cup, 7 g fiber, and 11 g protein. A very excellent low carb food but it is not in the book the same as many foods that would be acceptable if all foods were assessed.

This is where one needs to look at the overall reasons certain foods were listed and some were not. There is no way he could list every acceptable food and some, like black soy beans, can be difficult to find at times.

To say "go by the book" might work but would also unnecessarily limit people. In the end, it is your eating plan.

[Georgiana]

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The coconut flour question has been answered by Liv, I believe. No nuts, in any form, are allowed during the Induction phase. Coconut flour is just coconut meat that is dried and defatted, and then grounded. Dr. Atkins specifically mentioned nuts in Chapter 11 of DANDR 2002 (the one that explains Induction):

4. Eat absolutely no fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables or diary products other than cheese, cream or butter. Do not eat nuts or seeds in the first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes, are not permitted at this time.

Re: black soybeans

As you can see in Rule #4 above, no legumes are allowed during Induction. Rule #5 reinforces this:

5. Eat nothing that is not on the acceptable foods list. And that means absolutely nothing! Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of failure during this phase of Atkins.

[sallyseachange]

(as an aside... not a hijack)
I just tried to buy coconut flour (am on maintenance) in a shop here. They told me it was simply ground up dessicated coconut. No mention of it having been de-fatted. Perhaps it's different over in the States...

Edited to add...
Or... wait a minute... maybe dessicated coconut is already defatted?

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by sallyseachange

(as an aside... not a hijack)
I just tried to buy coconut flour (am on maintenance) in a shop here. They told me it was simply ground up dessicated coconut. No mention of it having been de-fatted. Perhaps it's different over in the States...

Edited to add...
Or... wait a minute... maybe dessicated coconut is already defatted?

Dessicated coconut should be dried and shredded coconut, but not defatted. Compared to the real coconut flour, it has four times more fat and only half the fiber, so my guess is that you cannot simply substitute ground dessicated coconut in recipes that call for coconut flour.

I never saw real coconut flour in Germany or in the Netherlands. Like you, the stuff I find is ground dessicated coconut.

[not2late]

I don't believe I've ever seen defatted coconut either. Dessicated just means dried. On another note, I have a co-worker who is originally from the Philippines, which supplies some of the world's coconut supply. Apparently the coconuts used for "shreds" or flour are the very poor quality, old coconuts that have been rejected from making other coconut products. She said the same goes for the coconut oil found in most stores.

Fresh, non-rancid coconut oil isn't supposed to smell like coconuts. When it begins to deteriorate, it gets a "coconut" aroma. I guess it's along the same rationale that fresh fish shouldn't smell fishy. I had a long talk with her about coconuts because store coconut oil makes my stomach queasy, whereas coconut oil processed fresh from real coconuts doesn't.

As for the legality of soybeans, etc., if it's not on the Induction Foods List, it isn't legal for Induction. It doesn't matter if it contains 0.00000000000000001 carbs. But remember, Induction is not the entire Atkins WEight Loss Diet and it lasts a minimum of 14 days. So if you want to eat non-Induction foods, on Day 15 move to On-Going Weight Loss Phase.

Induction is to get your body into the fat burning metabolism mode. You don't want to screw that up by experimenting with this non-legal food or that non-legal food.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by not2late

Fresh, non-rancid coconut oil isn't supposed to smell like coconuts. When it begins to deteriorate, it gets a "coconut" aroma. I guess it's along the same rationale that fresh fish shouldn't smell fishy. I had a long talk with her about coconuts because store coconut oil makes my stomach queasy, whereas coconut oil processed fresh from real coconuts doesn't.

How do you get fresh coconut oil?

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

How do you get fresh coconut oil?

First you start with a fresh coconut. I have a friend in Florida who brings "green coconuts" whenever he visits.

Anyhow, you remove the coconut meat from the coconut. Shred it (or chop it very fine in a food processor.) Line a large bowl with cheesecloth, and put the coconut meat in it. Add boiling water to cover the meat. Let it cool alittle, then lift up the edges of the cheesecloth to form a bag with the meat inside. Then wring it the liquid. That's coconut milk. You keep doing adding water and wringing it out until the liquid starts to lose it's milky white color.

Put the coconut milk in a deep pot. And let it sit, covered. After 12-24 hours, the coconut cream will rise to the top. Skim off the cream. Heat the cream and let it melt. Then cool it. That will separate the remaining water from the oil.

[not2late]

I guess if you want to try to make your own coconut oil, you can save the other coconut products you made (the coconut milk and the coconut shreds) in the freezer until OWL Rung 3.

IT does have a mild, sweet coconut aroma, but it doesn't have that strong skin tan lotion coconut smell.

(And as you can see, I don't make it too frequently because it's very labor intense.)

[Georgiana]

Thanks for the coconut lesson!

Originally Posted by not2late

IT does have a mild, sweet coconut aroma, but it doesn't have that strong skin tan lotion coconut smell.

lol... "skin tan lotion". I can't find coconut oil here (the extra virgin kind), so I have no idea how the store-bought one smells. For me, the weird thing with coconut is that I used to love it before I started Atkins. But when I added it back in OWL Rung 3, I didn't care too much about it.

(And as you can see, I don't make it too frequently because it's very labor intense.)

Do you also have a technique to open the coconut, other than brute force? I might try making coconut oil when my brother comes to visit me, so that he can open the coconut for me. Otherwise, me playing with big knives might be a little dangerous.

[sallyseachange]

Thanks gals for the coconut info!