atkins bars?

[mizski]

Originally Posted by chels4144

I always thought that Ice Cream was made with Cream, not milk, which is on the accepted foods list.

The ice cream I don't think is a fake food, other than being made with splenda instead of sugar, I think its basically the same thing. I'll have to check the ingredients though and see what exactly is in it before I buy it!

Low carb ice cream is definitely a frankenfood. For example, HaagenDazs Vanilla Ice Cream is Cream, Skim Milk, Sugar, Egg Yolks, Natural Vanilla for a total of 21g carbs. Those are all real ingredients. However, when companies such as Breyers make a vanilla low carb ice cream the ingredients are milk, skim milk, cream, sorbitol, polydextrose, whey, glycerine, cellulose gel, propylene glycol monoesters, mono and diglycerides, cellulose gum, carob bean gum, guar gum, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, carrageenan for a total of 9g net carbs (they also subtract 5g of sugar alcohols). LOTS of chemicals there! Low carb ice cream is NOT the same thing as real regular ice cream.

It's important to really read the ingredients as well as the nutrition label.

p.s. It is too bad HaagenDazs doesn't make a version that substitutes only Splenda for the sugar (and keep everything else the same)...now that would be a good product!

[Mirya]

Originally Posted by chels4144

I always thought that Ice Cream was made with Cream, not milk, which is on the accepted foods list. Its very confusing because even in the book one minute it seems Dr. Atkins is saying the the great bars and shakes his company has produced are a great snack when your on the go and then later in the book it says to wait until after induction to have them. Maybe he meant the first comment about after induction also. The ice cream I don't think is a fake food, other than being made with splenda instead of sugar, I think its basically the same thing. I'll have to check the ingredients though and see what exactly is in it before I buy it!

If you have a book that says bars are acceptabe and such then you are not using the 2002 edition of the book. Any of the later editions were edited and reprinted AFTER DR. Atkins last edition went out in 2002. The others were eited by the company not by the Dr. Do not use any other version than the 2002.

[mizski]

Originally Posted by Mirya

Do not use any other version than the 2000.

Hmmm...better let the moderators know...we're using DANDR 2002 here.

[Mirya]

Originally Posted by mizski

Hmmm...better let the moderators know...we're using DANDR 2002 here.

sorry, meant 2002. lol

[chels4144]

In my book (which is titled "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" and appears to be copyrighted for 2002) Chapter 11 on induction, page 129 it says "As I mentioned earlier, more and more companies are creating healthy food products that can be eaten during induction phase of atkins. Just remember two things 1. Not all convenience food products are the same, so check the labels and carbohydrate content. I can vouch for any product carrying the atkins brand name"

unless I am mistaken about the copyright, (which I could be) it sounds like he is saying that you can eat his food products on induction. Now I agree that it doesn't make sense because I think all of his products have unacceptable ingredients in them for induction but why does it say this in the book?

[liv]

The Atkins company went bankrupt in 2005. They used to make things like syrups and flours and muffin mixes and what not. The products they have launched now are different from the ones back then.

But you are right that Atkins did state the bars and shakes they were making back then then was acceptable on induction but we here has found that many people cannot lose with the products on sale now so we warn against them.

Atkins was a believer in whole foods. Here is an excerpt from the biography written about him:

The patients who stayed, however, were extremely loyal to both atkins and his low-carb diet. But they had one major complaint: In a fast-paced world where everything was low in fat or high in carbohydrates or both, it was difficult to find something that they could eat on the run while still remaining on the low-carb program. They had no time to prepare their own snacks. Perhaps something like the low-fat energy bars sold in convenience stores would be great, only low-carb instead.

Atkins hesitated, and for a good reason. One of the things he constantly stressed with his patients was that they should eat foods that were as close to their natural state as possible, and for him, any kind of energy bar was as good as poison since it was clearly a processed food...

But his patients continued to beg him for something---"you sell the vitamins and other supplements, why not energy bars?" they reasoned--and so, with great reluctance, he gave in and developed not only an energy bar but also a low-carb shake that would make it easier for patients to keep to their Atkins programs.

"As long as you only use it for emergencies," he reminded them...

The energy bars and shakes were a necessary evil, there only because he thought his patients were too lazy to prepare the real kind of unprocessed foods that were the mainstay of his diet.

---Excerpted from:
Dr. Robert Atkins: The True Story of The Man Behind the War on Carbohydrates Lisa Rogak. Chamberlian Bros. 2005. Ch. 6

[atkinsgal08]

>>The Atkins company went bankrupt in 2005.>>

Just to be clear ... they emerged from bankruptcy after 5 months.

>>I think all of his products have unacceptable ingredients in them for induction>>

While I agree that avoiding products is best, what are the unacceptable ingredients ... for those products marked as acceptable of all phases?

[atkinsgal08]

>>Dr. Robert Atkins: The True Story of The Man Behind the War on Carbohydrates Lisa Rogak. Chamberlian Bros. 2005. Ch. 6>>

This was an "unauthorized" biography.

A review of it from 2005 at amazon.com:

Dr. Robert Atkins : The True Story of the Man Behind the War on Carbohydrates (Hardcover) by Lisa Angowski Rogak, published by Chamberlin Books (Penguin Group). List price is $24.95. copyright 2004.

Publisher's Weekly states:
This disappointing bio isn't sure if it's meant to dig up and reveal scandal or to study a business/diet plan/trend in American culture and the man behind it. Atkins (1930–2003) is the man behind the low-carb diet mania, of course: the author of numerous books, creator of an eating plan that subverts conventional wisdom and no stranger to controversy. Rogak, who's written books on travel, pet care and Howard Dean, shares glimpses into Atkins's early life in Ohio, his longstanding interest in art and the way in which the low-carb lifestyle developed from a diet practiced by a small group of devotees to a thriving business that captured the attention of millions. Throughout, there's a tendency toward negativity; Rogak copiously quotes Atkins's former classmates and colleagues on the doctor's inflated sense of importance, as well as his consistent efforts to get nurses to go home with him (Rogak apparently did not interview Atkins's widow), although Rogak also says he is "greatly misunderstood." The author's inconsistency in clearly attributing the anecdotes and quotes she presents makes for disjointed reading. In the latter chapters—when Rogak relies more on interviews rather than speculation or quotes from former lovers and competitors—the text's rhythm is smoother. However, the book's uneven tone overall and scant sourcing will likely inspire more skepticism than satisfaction.

Not saying the book doesn't have some merit ... I haven't read it myself ... just consider the possible agenda of the author.

[liv]

I read the bio. What would the agenda be? I agree it is not overall positive but too positive bios are not necessarily more believable. (nor are the authorized ones)

[atkinsgal08]

>What would the agenda be?>>

Don't know.

It's just something to keep in mind when considering the veracity of a book ... and she, according to the review, doesn't attribute her sources ... so one has to wonder what's true and what isn't true.

The "tendency towards" negativity could indicate that the author had a point of view ...

And how would one write a biography without interviewing Mrs. Atkins?