Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by atkinsgal08

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

Hmmm ... cheese is made from milk. So is cheese not allowed on Induction?

Cream is made from milk, also. And it's allowed.

Butter is made from milk. And it's allowed.

Single cream isn't really a term generally used in the US.

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

So using this statement, foods that Dr. Atkins specifically states are acceptable (such as cream, cheese and butter), you're say are not allowed?

>>I realize there is also milk in cream.>>

Using your own statement though, it shouldn't be allowed.

I'm very very confused here.

Trust me, if we were allowed to drink milk on Induction, I would have followed the Rules of Induction to a T.

Butter is made by separating butterfat from buttermilk and churning the butterfat, and has almost no lactose. Butter is on the Acceptable Foods List.

The cheeses allowed during Induction are made by adding rennet to milk. The enzymes in rennet precipitate the casein in milk; this causes the milk to coagulate, thus forming a curd and whey. The whey is then drained. Since whey is the part that contains lactose, most of the lactose is removed from cheese. Fresh cheeses, such as ricotta, are made by adding an acid solution to whey, cream or milk. The acid solution does not have the strong coagulation properties of rennet, which is why fresh cheeses are, in general, higher in carbohydrates (from lactose in whey). "Aged" cheeses (not exactly the proper term if one looks at the List) are on the Acceptable Foods List. Fresh cheeses aren't.

Cream is made by separating butterfat from milk. If you make cream at home, the longer the milk is left to rest, the higher the percentage of butterfat in the cream you skim off will be. Commercially, cream is made in a centrifuge. Milk is spun at high speed, which causes the lower density part (butterfat) to go towards the center of the centrifuge, while the higher density part (the left over skim milk) will remain on the sides. There is a valve on top of this centrifuge, whose diameter can be adjusted. By adjusting the size of the valve and spinning for a longer/shorter time, different types of cream can be made, with fat percentages between 18% (light cream) and 40% (heavy cream). This is how light and heavy cream are made, and both are specifically listed on the Acceptable Foods List.

Light cream is 18-30% butterfat; heavy cream is 35-40% fat. Half and half is 10-12% butterfat. Half and half, as we all agree, is made by mixing equal parts of milk and cream. This is not done with the centrifuge, by simply adjusting the diameter of the valve and/or changing the spinning time. How it is done is by taking the cream that comes out of the centrifuge and mixing it with milk, at high pressure. The high pressure keeps the two from separating because of their different densities. Why did I write those numbers above? Let's mix cream and milk, in equal parts. We cannot use heavy cream, because then the fat percentage would be 17.5-20% (divide 35-40% by 2, because cream is 1/2 of the half and half). So the cream we need to use is light cream, which is on the Acceptable Foods List (limited to 2-3 tbsp). So we are mixing a food that is on the Acceptable Foods List with a food that isn't (milk). The result will be something that is not allowed during Induction.

But to put it differently... If someone was asking whether they can add 1-1/2 tbsp of light cream and 1-1/2 tbsp of milk in their decaf coffee, on Induction, would you say it's okay to do? I wouldn't, since milk is not allowed on Induction; I would tell the person to add more light cream or heavy cream or mix cream with some water if he/she wants it more "diluted". Since half and half is nothing else than light cream and milk, just homogenized (at high pressure) so that they don't separate, I cannot tell a person it is okay to add half and half to his/her coffee. Just because the light cream and the milk were homogenized doesn't change a thing. So, unless you tell people that 1 to 1-1/2 tbsp of milk is okay to have during Induction, I do not understand why you would tell them that half and half is okay.

[atkinsgal08]

>>if we were allowed to drink milk on Induction>>

I did not suggest (nor would I ever) that drinking milk (or using milk) would be allowed.

What I inferred from your earlier statement was that anything made from milk wasn't allowed ... period ... because milk isn't allowed ... so that anything derived from milk as an ingredient would be forbidden.

>>f someone was asking whether they can add 1-1/2 tbsp of light cream and 1-1/2 tbsp of milk in their decaf coffee, on Induction, would you say it's okay to do?>>

I would not say it was ok to add the milk, clearly.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by atkinsgal08

I would not say it was ok to add the milk, clearly.

So why would you then say it is okay to add half and half, when it's just a mixture of single cream and milk?

[I am not fat, I am fluffy]

Holy crap...now I am confused....LMAO

I shall just drink it black...

[atkinsgal08]

Use heavy (whipping) cream. You'll be fine!

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by I am not fat, I am fluffy

Holy crap...now I am confused....LMAO

I shall just drink it black...

Water, water, water........

[shaunawa]

I am at the end of this post and a little gratful...I am laughing my butt off though. I know it is not funny to laugh at someone's hardship...but you are making this way to hard on yourself.

Get rid of Fitday if you cant use it... count on your fingers for heaven sake it is only up to 20.

I agree about arguing it is not fair... we are only here to help one another out.

I dont want you to talk away from Atkins thinking you cant do it... but if you are so frustrated with it, what is the point. Maybe it isn't the right program for you. + you have only been doing this way of eating for five days...2 lbs. is 2lbs. not everyone drops 10 lbs. we are not all built the same nor will we lose the same.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by shaunawa

I dont want you to talk away from Atkins thinking you cant do it... but if you are so frustrated with it, what is the point. Maybe it isn't the right program for you. + you have only been doing this way of eating for five days...2 lbs. is 2lbs. not everyone drops 10 lbs. we are not all built the same nor will we lose the same.

To see real frustration, you should see our physics labs. If we had all given up out of frustration or had thought physics is not the right major for us, our department would have no students.

But I agree that FitDay might not be the right program for everyone. I like calculating my carbs on paper, although I find FitDay faster (I have many foods entered as custom foods).

[atkinsgal08]

>> So why would you then say it is okay to add half and half, when it's just a mixture of single cream and milk?>>

I wouldn't say it here. <smile>