day 2- down 1.3lbs

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

Are these the ones you have: Maple Leaf Top Dogs All Beef Wieners | Maple Leaf | Hot Dogs | Bacon and Hot Dogs | Meat and Poultry | Butcher | Maple Leaf Foods?

Never mind... I missed the nutritional facts button. These are not the ones you have.

Can you go on their website and post the ones you bought?

[atkinsgal08]

>>i actually did think that there were a certain amount of carbs in meat.>>

Didn't you read in DANDR that meat is 0 carbs unless something has happened to it?

>>if im feeling like "cheating" one night but dont want to screw up.>>

>> copied nutrion info below. >>

The list of ingredients is the information you want. That's what tells the tale.

That seems as if you have a back-up plan for cheating ... maybe your plan should be that you're not going to feel like cheating!

[liv]

Hi Tracey
unfortunately Maple Leaf does not make anything as pure as 100% beef. I have yet to come across one of their products which did not have plenty of fillers and sugar and/or cornstarch. Their beef wieners contain about 3 carbs each all coming from sugar and starches - so it is a bit unfortunate. You have to go by the label - not by info that you find on line on third party sites. That info can be very incorrect.
I don't know of any clean hot dog here in Canada. If you come across one let me know. I sure would like to eat one with good consciousness one day.

Don't let any of this worry you though. It is all a learning process. You have had a pretty good day. That is all that counts.
Keep on trucking.

[tracyc]

how can someone not FEEL like they are going to cheat?? that's like telling a smoker, dont have a feeling to go have a smoke, or an alcoholic not to have an urge or feeling that they want to have a drink...food is an addiction..this whole process is learning to make better choices when a person is tempted. Planning ahead for situations.. If people could control an urge/feeling to eat or drink something they shouldnt, there would be no atkins forum for us to be posting in because noone would be FAT!! when i thought the hot dogs were the ones i found the label for online, and if they were, then they would be ok. do a google search, lots of people on atkins eat hot dogs. i view bacon as cheating too but it's not..it's legal.. i have always viewed hot dogs in the same way as bacon and BAM, 4 days ago, i find out bacon isnt the antichrist anymore... i dont benefit from comments about things that offer no input othat than to just put your own 2 cents in, I need guidance, suggestions, better alternatives and answers. i am brand new to atkins, and im learning a whole new way of thinking that contradicts everything i've been taught to believe my entire life

Georgiana- thanks for all the wonderful guidance today..it helped me get though a rather tough day full of what would be really really poor choices and a recipe for a failed induction! Thank you so much for your continual guidance and helpful information. The thing that tripped me up, as silly as it sounds, is the fact that there was actually a label on the processed turkey meatball. like, if i saw a steak on a shelf, and it said 3 carbs..i would know that there is no way because carbs come from sugars and starches..it was a brain fart, i think im so scared of screwing up that im overthinking everything now. i have to get back to the basics, no more processed anythings!! im not educated enough yet to automatically read the labels for hidden forbidden foods

Liv- thanks for the information, i did in fact check the hot dogs when i got home, and there were 1g of carbs, but fillers for sure!!! so..off to the kids those go too. I had that awsome big mac in a bowl for supper...lots of lettuce, not too much meat or cheese or sauce. When i count out my carbs i came in just under 20g, but tomorrow i will make sure to stick to nothing processed, more veggies and my tried and true eggs. When it comes to fat content and counting the calories, im pretty savvy...but this carb thing is really tripping me up. I read on someones blog about the first two weeks not always being so much about staying on track as it is to work out the kinks for alot of people who make honest mistakes as we get used to the program. I am certainly someone that is gaining alot of knowlege through this induction. i dont mean that that is what dr. atkins point of this phase was, just that us humans benefit from the very strict induction and this is the stage where alot of newbies get their information, and only have a small weight loss, or go into an extended induction to get it right on week 3 and 4...that will be me im sure lol.

no wii tonight, im not feeling well, and i went to physio..

my menu for tomorrow
breakfast-1 egg
snack- 1 egg
lunch - caesar salad with dressing- less than 2g of carbs per tablespoon-legal in the book
supper- macafoni and cheese, and a chicken breast.
snack- mock danish- yumm yumm

[tracyc]

<< Didn't you read in DANDR that meat is 0 carbs unless something has happened to it?>>

Atkins Diet Phase 1 ? Induction Phase :: Dr. Atkins' Diet Plan

"Bacon and ham, salami, hot dogs are also allowed, despite the fact they are processed meat. They can be eaten on condition that they do not contain sugar which might add carbohydrates to the daily intake. "

this is to futher add to my confusion. im trying to find out which one people eat because mine have corn syrup in them.

and this other atkins support group says hot dogs are ok..
http://www.atkinssupportgroup.com/fo...ead.php?t=6020 so my question now is, is this forum that i am in now an actual official atkins forum and the other is just a third party thing??

[atkinsgal08]

ww.dratkinsdietplan.info/learn/atkins-induction-phase.html

I wonder where they got their information?

I would be very cautious about using this site as a resource. You would be better to rely on information from this forum or from the book.

Some 3rd party sites used information about Atkins that they want to use ... not necessarily all from "the book".

>>im trying to find out which one people eat because mine have corn syrup in them.>>

On the rare occasion I eat a hot dog, I eat Hebrew National Kosher. However, I'm in the US and you're in Canada.

>>this other atkins support group says hot dogs are ok..>>

Lots of people will say different things.

I can find you a "support group" that focuses on just eating low carb junk food.

>>is this forum that i am in now an actual official atkins forum >>

What to you mean by "official"? Do you mean sanctioned by Atkins Nutritionals? If that's what you mean, then no, it isn't. However, the advice here is far better than one can get at the "official" Atkins website for most questions!

Yes, meat that has been processed will most likely have carbs ... because of the fillers and other ingredients.

A "chunk o' meat" such as a beef roast, a pork chop ... will have 0 carbs. You stated you were adding carbs to "meat" because you thought it should have carbs. That's what lead to my earlier comment.

I have to ask ... do you have a copy of the 2002 DANDR or are you trying to do Atkins based on what you pick up from websites?

[Georgiana]

You're welcome, Tracy!

Let me also try to answer some of your comments...

how can someone not FEEL like they are going to cheat?? that's like telling a smoker, dont have a feeling to go have a smoke, or an alcoholic not to have an urge or feeling that they want to have a drink...food is an addiction..

Wanting to eat something might happen... not only when you are on Induction, but even later on. However, actually eating it or eating something just for the sake of eating does not need to happen. If it does, all you are doing, in my opinion, is substitute one food addiction with another. I agree that eating stuff like a hot dog is better than eating a chunk of Black Forest cake for someone on Atkins... but it is a bad eating habit nevertheless.

And try to think of it in the long term... When you are at home, you might always have some low carb food around and every time you "feel like cheating" you can eat that low carb food instead of eating pasta, chocolate or whatever. What does this teach you though? As you know, life happens outside your home. Many times you will be in situations where you want to eat something... but there won't be that hot dog you were using to "treat" your desire to cheat. What will you do then, if you don't take the time now to change your relationship with food? Eating a hot dog is a "quick fix"... which teaches you nothing... and I believe you are taking the easy way out.

this whole process is learning to make better choices when a person is tempted.

I would disagree here. As I have said above... in my opinion, Atkins is about fundamentally changing your eating habits... which are not restricted only to the foods you eat, but also to your relationship with food. Food should not be used to "treat" "feelings". That is a bad habit.

If people could control an urge/feeling to eat or drink something they shouldnt, there would be no atkins forum for us to be posting in because noone would be FAT!!

When you say, "if people could control an urge/feeling to eat or drink something", it sounds as if there is no way in the world people could control this. But the truth is... there is. Of course, if you believe there isn't... you're likely never going to find it... because you will never really look for it.

Substituting carby food with low carb alternatives might make you feel in control... but you aren't. You're still a slave to food. The only thing that has changed is that now it is low carb food instead of the sugary/starchy kind.

lots of people on atkins eat hot dogs.

That doesn't make them a good choice. Lots of people fail on Atkins too. I've been around Atkins forums for long enough to see how those unwilling to change their eating habits end up failing.

i view bacon as cheating too but it's not..it's legal..

It's fine to eat a few slices of bacon in the morning... although there are better protein alternatives, imo. The problem is the reason why you eat this bacon. Do you eat it because you are hungry? Or do you eat it just because you feel like eating something?

<< Didn't you read in DANDR that meat is 0 carbs unless something has happened to it?>>

Atkins Diet Phase 1 ? Induction Phase :: Dr. Atkins' Diet Plan

"Bacon and ham, salami, hot dogs are also allowed, despite the fact they are processed meat. They can be eaten on condition that they do not contain sugar which might add carbohydrates to the daily intake. "

That comment J. made was referring to the meatballs you ate, not to processed meats.

and this other atkins support group says hot dogs are ok..
http://www.atkinssupportgroup.com/fo...ead.php?t=6020 so my question now is, is this forum that i am in now an actual official atkins forum and the other is just a third party thing??

Trust me... just because a forum is "an actual official Atkins forum" does not make the advice you receive in that forum better.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by atkinsgal08

www.dratkinsdietplan.info/learn/atkins-induction-phase.html

As J. said, I wouldn't go by what is written on that website. They are clearly not following DANDR 2002. Look what they say:

The folowing sorts can be eaten with no restrictions: mozarella, cheddar, cream cheese, Rocquefort cheese and blue ones, swiss cheese, goat, cow and sheep cheese.

We all know cheese is limited to 3-4 oz per day in the 2002 plan and should not be eaten "with no restrictions".

[tracyc]

YES!!!! now that's what im talkin about!!! great insight, great advice, different perspective to what i'm thinking, which makes sense about not being in control over what i eat if im just going to eat something else that is low carb/high protein.
The underlying question was is this a better site, so thanks for the input, i'll stick around this one.

J- i do have the 2002 book, thanks for asking. I am reading it, have read the secton on induction a couple of times. I feel like when i started my accounting course...i was like WTF is all of this information, and what do i do with it??!! then i started working where i am now while i was taking it, and the wonderful people guided me to success by helping me with their experiences and knowledge.

Im actually going to print out the messages you both (georgiana and J) sent yesterday and add to my atkins induction phase book i've started.

that's right..i'm not kidding you, i am serious this change of lifestyle. i guess i got a little overexcited about being able to eat foods that i haven't eaten in 6 months!

I have printed off a bunch of atkins friendly recipes from linda's site, lowered the cheese content in some of them, and printed off low carb bbq sauce recipes..i found low carb no name ketchup yesterday..1g per tablespoon...im going to use that to make the bbq sauce. I made the thousand island salad dressing for my big mac in a bowl lastnight...which was delicious by the way..my husband ended up eating over half of it!!

thank you for the obvious reasearch you both put into that site for my benefit. I'm going to get this yet. i swear to God. replacing one addiction for another....so very true...and i get what j meant now. thanks for elaborating.

[barrnone]

Tracy, I think you have a great attitude, you sound very excited and enthusiastic!

I always make my own meatballs - I recently made some that had pizza ingredients - they were so good - my family loved them! Just need to get creative!

For dinner I normally have a salad, some meat/fish and a side veggie - lots of ideas.

I also drink coffee, but have cut down and only drink half-caf, not sure if it has affected me, but I do enjoy my morning coffee.

You'll figure it out...good luck!