Can't stay in ketosis and eat other veggies

[JulieB]

Originally Posted by super7

... ketostix showed that i was in high ketosis each day of those 3 weeks. when i dropped calorie count, i started losing weight.

There is no such thing as "high ketosis" you are either in or out. The colour variation on the stick simply shows how many ketones the stick is measuring. You are either in ketosis or not.

Yes, if you eat more calories than you need, you will not lose, you can even gain - that has nothing to do with being in ketosis or not - you can be in ketosis & gain weight if you eat too much! Are you using Dr. Atkins' rule of eating until you are satisfied, but not full or stuffed? Counting calories works too if you can't tell when you are hungry or have no appetite.

[super7]

Originally Posted by JulieB

There is no such thing as "high ketosis" you are either in or out. The colour variation on the stick simply shows how many ketones the stick is measuring. You are either in ketosis or not.

Yes, if you eat more calories than you need, you will not lose, you can even gain - that has nothing to do with being in ketosis or not - you can be in ketosis & gain weight if you eat too much! Are you using Dr. Atkins' rule of eating until you are satisfied, but not full or stuffed? Counting calories works too if you can't tell when you are hungry or have no appetite.

i beg to differ, you can have various ketosis levels in your body. there is a rason why ketostix bottle have so many colour strips to compare to.

my bmr is around 1900 calories, judging by a few of online tests. plus daily activity calories. that totally stalled me for 3 weeks.

[imagood1]

Originally Posted by super7

even though ketostix showed that i was in high ketosis each day of those 3 weeks.

there is no such thing as "high keotsis" -- you are either IN keotsis or you aren't. The color of the stick shows many things including dehydration. I show no color on the sticks (never have) and I know I'm in keotsis because of my breath and a strong urine smell. I also loose weight (albeit slowly) and inches. I drink 150 oz of water daily so that has a lot to do with no color on the sticks.

the sticks aren't 100% - they are to be used as a guide.

[super7]

[QUOTE=willbethin;1090912]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

How do you know more than 2 cups of veggies throw you out of ketosis?

From testing with keto sticks. First day after more than 2 cups I will go to pink and the next day of more than 2 cups I will go out. The only way I get to purple is to do no carbs including no vegetables for two days. Then to stay in ketosis 2 cups or less of Salad Vegetables inculding under 1 cup of Other Vegetables. I really have to be carefull with tomatoes and onions.

i cycle carbs too on occasion, if i feel like i've stalled for too long. works for me.

[IrishIrish]

Ketostix were not invented for the purpose of low carb monitoring of ketosis contrary to some individuals's assumptions. They were originally made to measure metabolic abnormalities such as diabetes, renal glycosuria or other glycogen retention and use diseases. Since the way we use Ketostix on Atkins is really and "off label" use, for the purpose of Atkins, any color change reflects ketosis.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by willbethin

From testing with keto sticks. First day after more than 2 cups I will go to pink and the next day of more than 2 cups I will go out. The only way I get to purple is to do no carbs including no vegetables for two days. Then to stay in ketosis 2 cups or less of Salad Vegetables inculding under 1 cup of Other Vegetables. I really have to be carefull with tomatoes and onions.

There are three ketone bodies: acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB) and acetone. Acetoacetate can be used for fuel or it can be converted into the other two ketones, BHB and acetone. Then you use ketones when sleeping, when exercising, or just when doing your random stuff. And to make matters worse, drinking a few extra glasses of water will dilute your pee, so the concentration of whatever you pee out will decrease. All these will affect the color on the stix since they only measure left over acetoacetate and only measure its concentration.

What about your physical signs of ketosis, like fruity breath, metalic taste in your mouth, change in the smell of your urine and/or sweat, increased energy, decreased appetite? Do these go away too?

[willbethin]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

There are three ketone bodies: acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB) and acetone. Acetoacetate can be used for fuel or it can be converted into the other two ketones, BHB and acetone. Then you use ketones when sleeping, when exercising, or just when doing your random stuff. And to make matters worse, drinking a few extra glasses of water will dilute your pee, so the concentration of whatever you pee out will decrease. All these will affect the color on the stix since they only measure left over acetoacetate and only measure its concentration.

What about your physical signs of ketosis, like fruity breath, metalic taste in your mouth, change in the smell of your urine and/or sweat, increased energy, decreased appetite? Do these go away too?

Yes these all go away. I test first thing in the morning because I know that water or any high amount of fluids dilutes the test. I have tried it lots of times, testing and also observing all of the different signs. That is how I realized that I really have to watch onions and tomatoes.

I have also found that if I increase much over the 20 carbs I do not lose. I also don't consume a big amount of calories. In the past I have stayed on the induction until I have reach my goal. I average about 1.5 to 2 pounds a week on it if I stick right two it.

I know that I am metabolic resistance to weight loss. I also think that I am insulin resistance. In the past I did suffer from Candida Albicans, which I believe being on Adkins years ago for a long period of time realy helped and took care of that. I was recently started on thyroid medication. I am hoping that this will help me lose easier and be able to increase my carb count some. LC diets have been the only ones that I seem to lose on.