Shakes? Racing Heart? Pancakes?

[Thinker]

Hi guys....

I did a bbbaaaddddd thing. I've been keeping my carbs low...but not low enough to lose weight (like I should). I'm not happy with this and I WILL return to a lower carb lifestyle.

Anyway, with that background, I did a BAADDD THING this morning. I had ....pancakes. Two regular and one chocolate chip. My wife ordered waffles and...welll....I gave in. These are my ultimate cheat food.

Anyway...20 minutes later....my heart felt like it was the snare drum in a maching band. I was shakey. The whole deal.

I've had the shakes if my sugar is crashing or during the Atkins Flu if I'm going into induction (which I wasn't in full ketosis beforehand) but never anything like this.

Has anyone ever had any such thing??

- Thinker

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Thinker

Hi guys....

I did a bbbaaaddddd thing. I've been keeping my carbs low...but not low enough to lose weight (like I should). I'm not happy with this and I WILL return to a lower carb lifestyle.

Anyway, with that background, I did a BAADDD THING this morning. I had ....pancakes. Two regular and one chocolate chip. My wife ordered waffles and...welll....I gave in. These are my ultimate cheat food.

Anyway...20 minutes later....my heart felt like it was the snare drum in a maching band. I was shakey. The whole deal.

I've had the shakes if my sugar is crashing or during the Atkins Flu if I'm going into induction (which I wasn't in full ketosis beforehand) but never anything like this.

Has anyone ever had any such thing??

- Thinker

Most likely those pancakes caused your blood sugar to rise quickly. Your body dumped alot of insulin into your blood quickly to counteract that sugar load. And your blood sugar fell quickly.

There is no such thing as "full ketosis". Ketosis just means that you are producing ketones. In our case, we hope that it is due to lipolysis of our body fat.

Our bodies produce 3 ketone bodies: beta-hydroxybutyric acid (about 80% of the ketones), acetoacetic acid (about 15% of the ketones) and acetone (about 5%). The ketostix only test for acetoacetic acid.

Furthermore, our bodies can utilize ketone bodies for energy. So if your bod is breaking down fat and using the ketones for energy, your urine and blood will only have 'excess' ketones.

And lastly, according to Dr. Atkins those ketostix stop registering when your carb intake reaches about 50 net carbs daily. However, you can still be metabolizing fat if you are taking in 100 net carbs daily---of course, this is all based our our individual carbohydrate tolerance.

[Thinker]

Thanks not2!!

It was certainly odd. I'm no stranger to having a sugar crash...and this was A LOT of sugar....but this was different.

Hmmm....you make an interestign point. While I haven't been terrific - I've certainly been well below 100 grams per day. But, since I've been well more than 20ish, I just hadn't expected a sugar crisis thing. Not one where my metabolism takes off anyway.

Anyone else ever had anything like this happen to them??

- Thinker

[2big4mysize]

when I jumped off low carb eatting back in April 04 I had the pounding fast heart and my doc said it was the high sugar causing the rapid heart rate and not to do that again.

When you low carb your body does not produce much insulin then when you suddenly stop your blood sugar skyrockets immediately making us appear to be diabetic. there was a famous study done on ivy league fellows feed low carb and the shocking results afterwards when the doc doing the study gave them a GTT and every one of them tested as a diabetic which is why docs now tell you to stop low carbing and load carbs before a GTT

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

....there was a famous study done on ivy league fellows feed low carb and the shocking results afterwards when the doc doing the study gave them a GTT and every one of them tested as a diabetic which is why docs now tell you to stop low carbing and load carbs before a GTT

Hi 2Big!,

I didn't understand the bit above. The GTT is the glucose time test? Is that right? But, why would the docs tell you to STOP low carbing? I don't get it?

- Th

[not2late]

GTT is the oral glucose tolerance test. You drink a glucose drink. Then they take blood from you at intervals to assess your blood sugar levels and indirectly assess your insulin response. Insulin is the hormone released by the pancreas that "grabs" sugar out of our blood stream and brings it to various organs for immediate use and to the liver. In the liver, the sugar is converted to either glycogen and excess glycogen is further converted to body fat.

What happens if you are a low carber is that you can have an exaggerrated insulin response when you drink that solution. Low carbers generally have low insulin levels by virtue of our diet. So when our bodies are hit with that amount of glucose, it reacts by sending out alot of insulin...more so than what we usually send out.

So to get a more accurate result, you need to eat about 150 net carbs for a few days before the GTT. It's explained in ATkins Diabetes Revolution, the book Dr. ATkins was writing when he died.

[G-Mom]

The very reason I never want to take a GTT. I don't want to go off plan just to slurp down that horrible sweet drink, only to find out I AM NOT diabetic.

[Thinker]

I've never heard of the Atkins Diabetes Revolution...Did it ever get published??

[2big4mysize]

it was published and our former Diabetic mod Canuck is in it as an Atkins sucess.

actually you are sluggish in responding to the sugar so you get a huge initial blood sugar level and then the slow to respond insulin will arrive and you will get a drop but you could be one to two blood removals into the test before the insulin does it thing.