DANDR 1992 Question

[transypodge]

Hi everyone! I have my own copy of DANDR 2002, but my boyfriend (who is also doing the diet) has my Mom's hand-me-down 1992 edition DANDR. He doesn't seem too motivated to buy the new one. Is there anything in that edition that could steer him in the wrong direction? Is there anything new I should tell him about? Thanks! Paige

[Chef Kevin]

well, the 1992 version is actually based on the 1972 version and has a few differences.
We have discussed this several times on this board.

Overall, they are similar, but the inductions are totally different. Caffeine was not restricted on the original, artificial sweeteners were allowed more in the original, franken foods didn't exist back then (which is actually a good thing for the original version), but the food lists weren't all that different. It was a major shift in the approach to the diet more than anything.

Just limit caffeine (which can affect blood sugar levels) and watch out for the artificial sweeteners. Those are some of the biggees.

The older book is also poorly written. The ghost writer that wrote it really was horrible. The 2002 book is much more readable.

[liv]

They are very different. A lot changed between 72 and 2002. The glycemic index was discovered and Atkins really embraced this new knowledge and included it in 2002. So both the first phase of Atkins and the on going weightloss phase are very different in the two books. Look around you should be able to pick up a used copy of 2002 for cheap about anywhere they sell used books.

[Chef Kevin]

OLD Version from the book.....

Not sixty grams of carbohydrate on this diet but zero grams
Here’s how this diet is significantly different. During the first week on this diet, you cut your intake of carbohydrates down to what is biologically zero.
This creates a unique chemical situation in the body, the one favorable to the fastest possible burning of your body’s stored fat. Ketones are excreted, and hunger disappears.
You see, the first fuel your body burns for energy comes from the carbohydrates you eat and drink. If any carbohydrate is available, your body burns this rather than stored fat-and maintains its old metabolic pathways. But carbohydrates, as such, are not stored in the body beyond forty-eight hours.
So when no carbohydrate is taken in, your body must draw upon the major reserve source of fuel-the stored fat.
It is forced to take a different metabolic pathway. In this process your body converts from being a carbohydrate-burning engine.
This is The Diet Revolution: the new chemical situation in which ketones are being thrown off-and so are those unwanted pounds, all without hunger.
A gradual addition of carbohydrate to keep your body burning it’s fat as fuel. We must maintain this chemical situation if you’re to continue to lose without hunger. And if we add carbohydrate very gradually in tiny amounts-we can do just this… keep your body converted into a fat-burning engine.
So that is just what we do. The second week you might add a few grams of carbohydrate to your diet. Every week thereafter a little more carbohydrate (around five grams) may be returned to the diet.

The Rules of Original Atkins

The Diet Revolution Rules (Level One)
1. Don’t count calories
2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.
3. Don’t eat when you are not hungry.
4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it is there.
5. Drink as much water or calorie free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids… but it is not necessary to force them either.
6. Frequent small meals are preferable.
7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.
8. Everyday take a high-strength multivitamin pill.
9. Read the labels on “low-calorie” drinks, syrups, desserts,. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

The First Life-Changing Week, eat nothing that is not on the list.
Meat: Steaks, Corned beef, Lamb chops, tongue, Hamburgers, Bacon, Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged “cold cuts”
Fowl: Duckling, Turkey, Chicken, Anything with wings, No stuffing
Desserts: Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g., D-Zerta )
Condiments: Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla, and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that [i]contains no sugar
Drinks: Water, Mineral water, Vichy, Club soda; Beef or Chicken broth, bouillon; Sugar free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee
---------*Special note on caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (cups). If you know you have low blood sugar, better limit it to three.
Fish: All fish, including canned salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oysters, clams, muscles, scallops, and pickled fish
Eggs: Boiled, fried, scrambled, poached, omelet – any style and without limitations
Salads: Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil, salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus… green olives.
Butter & Mayonnaise Fats: Butter, margarine (head New Diet Revolution & eat no margarine with trans fatty acids), oils, shortening (not such a great idea), lard & mayonnaise (fats have no carbohydrates).
Juice: Juice of one lemon or lime
Cheese: Four ounces a day of any hard aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.
Heavy Cream: Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk – so don’t use milk)
Diet Revolution Salad Material: Celery, Chicory, Chinese Cabbage, Chives, Cucumber, Endive, Escarole, Fennel, lettuce, Olives (Green or Black), Onions, Pickles (Sour or Dill), Parsley, Peppers, Radishes, Scallions, watercress.

What Happens After The First Week’s Diet.
Most diets are fixed formulas and are therefore short-termed and self-limiting. This diet is fixed only for a week. After that – because it must be a lifetime diet, it is, as variable as are individual tastes.
I’ve labeled the additions of carbohydrate that follow’ second level’, ‘third level’, ‘fourth level’, ‘fifth level’, but in fact the additions are interchangeable and flexible. You can make any of these additions any week that you choose. I am so committed to making this a livable lifetime diet that I am letting you select your own variations, within the rules set up by your biological rulebook.
Put back what you’ve missed the most: The idea is simply to gradually return to your diet first what you missed most. Custom-tailor the diet to suit your carbohydrate additions to suit your lifestyle. All that matters is that you add back to your diet a little carbohydrate at a time, and that you stop adding carbohydrate when you reach your CCL.
How to know when to put back a little carbohydrate: Ask yourself: Are the keto-stix still turning purple? Am I still un-hungry? Have I stopped eating at night? Do I have more energy? Am I still losing weight or inches nicely? Remember, your tape measure is a lot better friend than your scale, not only more accurate, but better able to report on the actual fat (not just temporary water) losses this diet achieves.
The Second Level: Cheesecake for dessert? At each level, remember you add approximately five to eight grams of carbohydrate daily for a week and analyze the results. Most people agree the best way to handle the second level is to add cottage cheese…
The Diet Revolution Vegetables (not for level one): All of the above plus; Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Beet Greens, Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Chard, Chinese Cabbage, eggplant, Kale, Kohlrabi, Mushrooms, Okra, Onions, Peppers, Pumpkins, Rhubarb, Sauerkraut, Snow Pea Pods, Spinach, String Beans, Summer Squash, Tomatoes, Turnips, Water Chestnuts, Wax Beans, Zucchini Squash

Sample menu, level one:
Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with spicy ham, Diet revolution roll and butter, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Cold cuts sandwich on Diet revolution Roll w/ mayo or mustard, 1 cup of salad (loosely packed), oil & vinegar, or a dressing from the recipe list, Raspberry gelatin, Diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Chicken soup with Matzoh Balls, Your favorite cut of steak, Caesar salad with Caesar Salad dressing, Gelatin, diet soda, coffee or tea
Snack: baken-ets, stuffed celery, diet soda.

Sample menu, level two:
Breakfast: Lox and stuffed onion omelet, caraway Diet revolution Roll with cream cheese, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Avocado stuffed with crabmeat, Tossed green salad with dressing from recipe list, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Mixed grill with garlic Butter Sauce or Béarnaise Sauce, Tossed salad with French Dressing, Gelatin Parfait with whipped cream, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Snack: Assorted smoked fish, Hard cheese, Diet soda

[Chef Kevin]

The new version changed some foods, changed the rungs, changed the approach to adding carbs back in, that kind of stuff. Like Liv said, glycemic index, but in the overall theory (restricting carbs) that remained.

The original was more strict in some ways, more liberal in others.

[SunnySmile501]

The 1972 and the 1992 are entirely different. There are several changes between 1992 and 2002, but it is basically the same. In the 1992, cheese was a "free" food, but you were told that cheese has carbs, so limit according to carb count. Olives are listed in with salad veggies instead of limited to 10 to 20 per day. Avocado is listed in with "other" veggies, instead of special category foods.

Caffeine was forbidden in the 1992 edition. Page 96 reads : "Caffeine is not allowed."

The biggest difference is in OWL and later phases of the eating plan. Instructions on how to transition from induction to OWl is almost nil. Although the "Carbohydrate Ladder" is mentioned, there is little explained about how to climb it. He did explain that a "level" was to be done in 5 carb gram increments. Nuts and berries were considered to be in the very first steps up the rungs. He uses both one ounce sunflower seeds and 13 strawberries in describing the first 5 gm increase. From what I read, OWL "ladder" was gaged totally by 5 gram increases and not the type of food, although he does encourage you to stay with the lower carb foods in OWL. The numbered nine levels (more veggies, soft cheeses, nuts and seeds, etc.) of the carbohydrate ladder only makes an entrance in the 2002 edition.

My opinion is that the 1992 is better than no book. I lost almost all my weight using the 1999 edition, which is almost identical to the 1992.

Sunny!

[SunnySmile501]

Another big difference between the older books and the last book is the tone. Dr. A was much more in-your-face confrontational in the older books. He had mellowed some by the 2002 edition.

A good example is the chapter on exercise:

1992 Title: Exercise--A Pleasant Path to Slimness
First Sentence: Since I thrive on controversy, I haven't mentioned exercise.

2002 Title: Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable
First sentence: Calling all couch potatoes: If you're not getting regular exercise, you aren't following the Atkins Nutritional Approach.

[SunnySmile501]

Originally Posted by Chef Kevin

well, the 1992 version is actually based on the 1972 version and has a few differences.
We have discussed this several times on this board.

I have all the editions in front of me and the biggest difference in all of them is between the 1972 and the 1992 editions. They are as different as night and day. He learned an awful lot in 20 years.

[Chef Kevin]

Weird, I have a 1992 paperback and it clearly says originally published in 1972. Must be a printing from 1992 of the 72 book.

I guess I have the older book and didn't realize there was yet another version!

Man, how many versions are there?

HA!

Guess it doesn't really matter, I go by the 2002 version myself, same as on the board here.

[not2late]

The major difference between the 1992 version and the 2002 version is the concept of "net carbs". Prior to the 2002 edition, you counted the total carbs. In the 2002 edition, Dr. Atkins told us to count "net carbs" which are the total carbs - the fiber grams, because fiber has a minimal effect on the blood sugar.