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Old February 25th, 2009, 10:05 AM
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even though my ketostix are always showing ketones? I know it is not from fat because I do not have a High fat diet.. mainly chicken with some red meat sprinkled in there... red meat is too expensive Anyway I have been stalled for about 2 weeks and I drink about 3 cups of coffee in the morning.. black with only 2 splenda's total... Could i be on a stall even though my sticks say no? OH and BTW.. no inches either haha
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Old February 25th, 2009, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

could be- maybe try going down to one. but you need to have fat for induction to work- have you read the book?
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

Normally I would play the record that says "a stall is defined as 4 weeks with no loss of weight or inches", but there are some other things I believe you might have to tweak.

Ketostix don't turn purple from the fat you are eating, but from the stored fat your body breaks down for energy when your carbohydrate intake is low enough. Otherwise you would be eating fries and still be in ketosis.

On the other hand, Atkins is a high-fat diet. So I am not sure what you mean by "I do not have a High fat diet". If you are doing Atkins, you should be having a high-fat diet.

Are you drinking decaf? What caffeine typically does is mess up with one's blood sugar levels, hence causing cravings. However, I have also seen people on the board who don't get cravings from coffee, but are just stalled by it.

Another thing that is very possible to stall you is a low fat intake. Atkins is designed to work if you keep your fat intake high. Otherwise you would either be eating too few calories (thus putting your body into starvation mode) or eating too much protein (the excess protein being turned into glucose).

Are you on OWL or extended induction? Did you add any new food?

Congratulations for the weight lost so far! That's a great progress!
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

Ketones are in fact detected from dietary fat we eat. Carbohydrates in fatty starches like French fries keep the the ketones from happening.
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Oops, sorry, my way of putting it was too extreme, especially with the fries example. To correct... The ketostix don't differentiate between the fat you're eating and the stored fat you are burning. However, they can turn pink even if fat does not account for the majority of your calories, as long as you keep your carbohydrate intake low enough. When I started "Atkins" (no book and pretty much clueless about the rules), I was living on salad veggies, a little olive oil and lots of tuna and chicken, but the ketostix still registered ketones. I assume that was from a high enough fat:carbs ratio (Fitday says approx. 40% fat, 5% carbs, 55% protein and 1000 calories), although my diet was more on the high-protein side. Obviously, it didn't take me long to stop losing weight... Anyway. The point is, you can still be in ketosis even if you keep your fat intake low (i.e. lower than someone who does Atkins correctly), but from my experience you stop losing weight after a while.
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

Ok I don't have the book I really can't afford it right now..... It is necessary that I eat a lot of fat? I just have been limiting my carbs to under 20. So, is the high fat in order to get enough calories a day? here is what I ate yesterday...

Breakfast
1/2 avacado coffee

Lunch
8 celery sticks ranch(o carbs)
14 pepperoni

Dinner
1 large Chicken baked breast stuffed with mushrooms, cream cheese, blue cheese, bacon
A big dollop of the stuffing on the side

Snack
Avacado
blue cheese
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

I'm not sure what phase of Atkins you are following. Is it extended induction? Then you are only allowed 1/2 avocado per day.

Use something like Dailyplate or Fitday to track your foods. If on induction, about 65% of your calories should come from fat, 5% from carbs and 30% from protein.

I'm not sure how much cheese you are eating, but it is limited to 3-4 oz per day. You should be also eating 3 cups of veggies per day -- 2 cups from the salad veggies list and one cup from the "other veggies" list.

Here are some sticky threads w/ the rules and foods for induction:
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...induction.html (What are the Rules of Induction?)
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...induction.html (What foods can be eaten on Induction?)
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so i'm gonna give up coffee for a week and see if i get a change... then if not i will add more fat
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Default Re: Could caffeine cause me to stall

Just looking at what you ate I'd say it's the fat. You need to eat more period. Instead of celery sticks try eating something like pork rinds. There are actually lots of recipes to make pork rinds more ... well, tastey. I personally enjoy making mine taste like churro sticks from taco bell.

OK maybe I should rephrase that; In addition to celery.... you should have something high in fat as well. You should also have more diversity than celery as well! Do you like pumpkin pie? Then buy some canned pumpkin (with no additives or sugar - Walmart always has it) and add a bit of sweetner!

BTW you can get the book easily for 3 bucks if you go to a half price book store, or any store that buys and sells used books. They always have like 8 or 10 copies.
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Ok I don't have the book I really can't afford it right now..... It is necessary that I eat a lot of fat? I just have been limiting my carbs to under 20. So, is the high fat in order to get enough calories a day? here is what I ate yesterday...

Breakfast
1/2 avacado coffee

Lunch
8 celery sticks ranch(o carbs)
14 pepperoni

Dinner
1 large Chicken baked breast stuffed with mushrooms, cream cheese, blue cheese, bacon
A big dollop of the stuffing on the side

Snack
Avacado
blue cheese
The fat is necessary. Atkins is high fat, moderate protein and low carb. What gets you into ketosis is the ratio of fat to carbs. Excess protein can and will be converted to glucose. You need dietary fat to burn fat.

What you are eating is in no way Atkins. At least read the stickies. You could check the book out of the library.
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