Not Losing? Maybe you are a "Wait and Whoosh" body type

[basketballbelly]

Originally Posted by J.R.

Yes, muscle is more dense that fat. A mass of muscle occupies less volume than an equal mass of fat.

Say you have two containers, each one liter. Fill one container with human muscle and the other container with human fat. The container with muscle weighs more than the container of fat. This is why people say muscle weights more than fat.

The "1 pound of feathers is the same as a pound of lead" saying does not apply here.

You are missing the point,this is simple math. Look at it this way a lb = 16 ounces NO MATTER WHAT. A rock that weighs 16 ounces is not going to look like the cotton balls that weight the same amount, it will take mounds of cotton balls to equal 16 ounces but one little rock...the rock is dense, the cotton balls are not. There is no magic spell that makes 48 ounces the same as 16 ounces (which is the equation give above) really it is very simple.

bbb

[Peej]

Originally Posted by basketballbelly

You are missing the point,this is simple math. Look at it this way a lb = 16 ounces NO MATTER WHAT. A rock that weighs 16 ounces is not going to look like the cotton balls that weight the same amount, it will take mounds of cotton balls to equal 16 ounces but one little rock...the rock is dense, the cotton balls are not. There is no magic spell that makes 48 ounces the same as 16 ounces (which is the equation give above) really it is very simple.

bbb

Nobody said that a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat. Your argument is like saying that since a pound of me weighs the same as a pound of you, there's no way I can weigh more than you. A specific volume of muscle will weigh more than an equal volume of fat. Therefore, muscle weighs more than fat. If you take a cubic inch of fat and a cubic inch of muscle, the muscle will weigh more. When you say that one thing weighs more than another, you're assuming that the measured weights are NOT equal.

Are you just trying to cause waves? Everyone understands the concept, it just doesn't apply here. Seems like a pretty silly thing to be so condescending about.

[basketballbelly]

1lb = 16 ounces it does not matter what you are weighing...nor does it matter who is weighing it.

[BFGarner]

The Red is Muscle While the Yellow is Fat. Both are one pound. One takes up more space.

[J.R.]

Originally Posted by basketballbelly

1lb = 16 ounces it does not matter what you are weighing...nor does it matter who is weighing it.

Peej explained pretty well that you fix the volume and not the mass.
If you have two equal size ingots, one made of aluminum and the other of lead, do they weight the same? Of course not, lead weighs more than aluminum given an equal volume of both.

To put this in diet terms:
Fat has a density of 0.9 grams (g) per milliliter (ml)
Muscle has a density of 1.06 g/ml

If somebody loses 2 kilograms of pure fat, their body reduces in volume by this much:
2000 g / (0.9 g/ml) = 2222 ml

If somebody loses 2 kg of pure muscle, their body reduces in volume by this much:
2000 g / (1.06 g/ml) = 1887 ml

Obviously your loss appears greater if you lose fat, instead of muscle.

Let's say you previously worked out and built muscle mass which has since atrophied. Then you go on a diet and start hitting the weights again. It's easy to gain muscle mass if you are rebuilding (as opposed to building new tissue). During this time, you lose 1kg of fat and gain 1 kg of muscle.

You weight is unchanged. However, your body shrinks by 167ml.

So not all pounds are created equal. Everyone agrees a pound is 16 oz and everyone else agrees that muscle weights more than fat, just like lead weighs more than aluminum.

[SpanishRapunzel]

Let's just drop it... seems like you both agree and are just trying to word it in differenct ways. This board is for support. If we wanted arguments, we could get those at home

So my question is... do most of you girls have a big WHOOSH after TOM visits?

[Peej]

Originally Posted by SpanishRapunzel

Let's just drop it... seems like you both agree and are just trying to word it in differenct ways. This board is for support. If we wanted arguments, we could get those at home

So my question is... do most of you girls have a big WHOOSH after TOM visits?

Agreed, I was just trying to explain but it doesn't seem to be working.

I usually do get a woosh after TOM but this time around I got one just before. I lost 3 pounds overnight and one today. TOM is scheduled for tomorrow! I'll have to see what happens during/after and if I still get a woosh even though I just had one. Its never happened for me like that. Usually if anything I gain a little right before TOM because I crave salty things like crazy.

[Jodes]

OK I have been doing Atkins for 7 weeks now (2 weeks ago moved to OWL rung 1). I lost 4.1kg in the first two weeks (9lb) and not a gram since. I have lost 17cm from my waist in this time though. I don't understand how I can lose those sort of measurements and not lost kgs.

I guess I am still waiting for my woosh

Not seeing the scale move has definitely made it hard this last 2 weeks and twice now I have given in to temptation. I am wondering if maybe I should go back to induction, while there I was never tempted at all but since I added in the extra 5g, I am craving more stuff that I know I should not be eating...

Bring on the woosh I say...

[Peej]

Originally Posted by Jodes

OK I have been doing Atkins for 7 weeks now (2 weeks ago moved to OWL rung 1). I lost 4.1kg in the first two weeks (9lb) and not a gram since. I have lost 17cm from my waist in this time though. I don't understand how I can lose those sort of measurements and not lost kgs.

I guess I am still waiting for my woosh

Not seeing the scale move has definitely made it hard this last 2 weeks and twice now I have given in to temptation. I am wondering if maybe I should go back to induction, while there I was never tempted at all but since I added in the extra 5g, I am craving more stuff that I know I should not be eating...

Bring on the woosh I say...

If you are working out, it may be because you are building muscle and losing fat. As has been said here already, muscle is more dense than fat. You may not see any changes on the scale but you are basically trading fat for muscle and therefore getting smaller. Eventually, your muscle growth will slow down enough that your fat loss will outweigh (literally) your muscle growth. If you are giving into temptation because you're not seeing anything on the scale, stop weighing yourself! Use your measurements instead to show that it is indeed still working.

You may lose more slowly when you are building muscle to replace the fat, especially at first, but your weight loss will be more efficient in the end. Your body will use more calories to maintain your muscle mass. Its definitely useful stuff.

[SpanishRapunzel]

Jodes, looks like we're right around the same height and SW. I haven't seen that type of change in cm's However, I can start seeing my obliques now, and my stomach is flatter... that doesn't make any sense, either. How can my clothes fit better with no in's lost??!