Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

[Kawispice]

Hey, if you are worried, you know your own body and this seems like too rapid a loss for you... if you think there might be an underlying illness that is causing it or something maybe unrelated to the diet, you might want to go to a doctor to check it out. You know we at the forum here even with our very best intentions, are only guessing at your condition.

[perchance]

DiverDown - it's not just the caffeine, it's the complete disregard for Atkins' rules. The asaprtame, the eating foods not on the induction list, the not eating foods you're supposed to be eating, not eating the carb level you're supposed to be eating.

If it helps, I've been following induction since Monday. I eat only the foods on the list, I make sure to get in 2c. of salad veg and 1 c. of other veg, I make sure my carb count is around 20 (I hit 18.6 today but I try to get as close to 20 as possible). I drink the water, take supplements, etc. Oh, and I'm in the process of reading the book. Since Monday I have lost 6 lbs.

I think that if you try a proper induction you'll like it. It will clean your body out of a lot of crap and you'll still have great results.


By the way, we're not all perfect. I still have a cup of coffee in the morning only I use a syrup with splenda or some stevia to sweeten and add 1 tbsp of heavy cream. Maybe you could try the diet coke with splenda or, my favorite, Zevia! with natural caffeine!

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by Diver Down

In my opinion, not everything that happens over time can be considered progress.

Well, if you are indeed following the '72 version of Atkins, you should know that bars are still not allowed during Induction, even more so than in the 2002 version. You should also not be counting net carbs but total carbs, and a bar has between 17 and 22 total carbs.

Sounds to me as if you picked only the rules you liked from each version of Atkins and did your own diet. If this is what you prefer and it works for you, then good luck with your weight loss. However, keep in mind that at ADBB we are following the 2002 version of Atkins and our advice is based on the rules in DANDR.

[Diver Down]

Well, I could be technical and point out those bars didn't even exist back in '72, lol, but that's really not my point (and I'd just be kidding around anyway). Look, I want to make myself clear: I don't advocate the bars in ANY phase. I simply nibbled here and there over the first day or so because I was trying to get through the initial shock to my system. If not for that little taste of something sweet in the beginning, I don't think I'd be here a week later 13 pounds lighter.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by Diver Down

Well, I could be technical and point out those bars didn't even exist back in '72, lol, but that's really not my point (and I'd just be kidding around anyway).

Exactly. They were not even mentioned in the book and Dr. Atkins wrote that you should have nothing that is not on the list of foods allowed during the first week. Which automatically excludes the bars.

Once you decide and tell us what diet/version of it you are following, we'll be able to give you appropriate advice.

[Diver Down]

I'll definitely keep my ears open for any advice this forum has to offer, especially from you, Georgiana. You seem very knowledgeable about the latest Atkins gospel and I'm admittedly not up to speed on all the revisional changes. I'm a little sad to think I won't ever learn why this induction has been working so well for me, but maybe I'll just chalk it up to starting at a heavier weight this time around. I only have another week of induction so I'll need to shift my focus to the upcoming stages, with as much knowledge gained from here as possible.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by fatboy slim

To accuse that person of not doing Atkins because you eat differently is crap.

The reason why he is not doing Atkins is that he is not eating vegetables, but living on meat and cheese. Vegetables are a non-negotiable part of the Atkins plan and over half of our carbs should come from vegetables, not from low-carb ice cream or Atkins bars.

Originally Posted by fatboy slim

What's wrong with Diver Down eating low-carb Atkins bars? Nothing!

The problem is with the bars. Read the list of ingredients on the Atkins bars. Then read rule #5 in DANDR (page 123). You will understand why bars are not "legal" during Induction.

Originally Posted by fatboy slim

I own DANDR 2002, and Dr. Atkins says right in there that "Of course, you can enjoy Atkins products right away" or something to that effect.

Not really. He didn't say "enjoy Atkins products right away". He said:

Originally Posted by DANDR, page 129

1. Not all convenience food products are the same, so check labels and carbohydrate content. You are not supposed to check the label just for the fun of pronouncing complicated words, but to see whether the ingredients are "legal" or not.
I can vouch for any product carrying the Atkins brand name! True, but this statement concerns the formula used for the Atkins bars at the time when the book was written. As Elizellen can tell you, since she has been doing this for longer than I, the ingredients that are used nowadays in the Atkins products are different from the ones that were used in Dr. Atkins' days. This does not only apply to bars, but also to other things like the Atkins Bake Mix.

2. While any of these foods can make doing Atkins easier, don't overdo it. Diver Down said he had 1-2 bars when he had emergencies. Since he had so many emergencies in a matter of days, I recommend him better, more natural food alternatives.

Remember, you must always follow the Rules of Induction. The Rules of Induction include rule #5.

Originally Posted by fatboy slim

You people criticising are truly ignorant.

I'd say the opposite. For example, we know that the Atkins bars found in the market today are not the same as those that were found years ago. We also know that the Atkins bars sold these days contain "illegal" ingredients like soy and/or nuts. I'm sorry if you feel that warning people about these issues makes us ignorant.

[fatboy slim]

Sorry, I did more research, and deleted my post. (Evidently it took me less time to do that than for you to type the reply!)

See this post.

But there's still no reason to be mean to Diver Down for not knowing better.

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Chicklady

There's not many ways to interpret "follow this menu for the first week and then repeat"

Since he's not using the 2002 ed, he never had to interpret that particular sentence, did he?

but in the 1972 book, immediately before the list of foods it says:

"THE FIRST LIFE-CHANGING WEEK. Eat nothing that's not on the list."

So that message didn't change from 1972 through 2002. In fact, it's remained almost word-for-word consistent.

Originally Posted by Diver Down

Perhaps that should be noted somewhere on the forums when a person signs up, if that is in fact the nature of this bulletin board. In my opinion, not everything that happens over time can be considered progress. Since there have been many revisions of the Atkins formula over the years, more than ever I believe it's vital we don't take anything on faith. I seek to identify what scientific claims are based on fact versus subjective research of particular focus groups. But I digress...

The fact that ADBB follows the 2002 edition of the book is noted in the forum descriptions.

There's only been 2 revisions of the Diet in those 30 years: 1992 and 2002.

Dr. Atkins was soundly criticized that he didn't include any scientific citations in the 1972 book. So he included those references in the 2002 edition. So if you want to learn about the rationale behind the changes there are references in the 2002ed.

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Diver Down

I'll definitely keep my ears open for any advice this forum has to offer, especially from you, Georgiana. You seem very knowledgeable about the latest Atkins gospel and I'm admittedly not up to speed on all the revisional changes. I'm a little sad to think I won't ever learn why this induction has been working so well for me, but maybe I'll just chalk it up to starting at a heavier weight this time around. I only have another week of induction so I'll need to shift my focus to the upcoming stages, with as much knowledge gained from here as possible.

Perhaps it would be to your benefit to read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution 2002 edition, rather than rely on the information on ADBB. Since you've expressed a desire to know the scientific claims behind the changes in the Diet, it would satisfy your curiousity more.