Carbs in wine

[Zarabelle]

Interesting links Slapshot. I personally can't drink red wine anymore which is odd as I loved it pre-Atkins. I just find it too heavy now and it makes me go bright pink!! I do like a dry white wine but nearly always add sparkling water to it now to make it a spritzer.

PS I didn't answer the original question as the poster seems to have found the info they were after

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

I read these articles yesterday, actually. Interesting stuff as it discusses wine and Atkins.

Atkins and Wine Changes Over Years

Wine, Carbohydrates and the Atkins Diet

The links are really funny because in the very last book Dr. Atkins wrote/published when he was alive, Atkins for Life, he removed Alcohol from the OWL Carb Ladder. But the articles quote the atkins.com website and we all know that they've changed the diet to suit the corporation since Dr. Atkins died.

Also, whoever did the research for the first article, didn't read the 1972 book very carefully because there is a section that addresses alcohol. At that time, Dr. Atkins used some mathematically extrapolated formula to determine the number of carbs in an alcoholic beverage and it was an extraordinary amount (higher than 0.8 grams per 4 ounces!) So that nixed it for his low carb diet in 1972. And I'm sure oenophiles would be very disappointed with that remark that no one drank wine in the 1970s. Domestic American wines were in its infancy and not very good in some cases, but the European wines were popular at that time.

And the person who wrote the second linked article doesn't do much better. That author gives the reason for no alcohol during Induction as "Note that the initial 2-week ban on wine really has nothing to do with the carbs in wine. Wine is actually very low-carb. The ban is because drinking alcohol tends to make your blood-sugar levels jump around, which can make you feel hungry and crave sweets. " When in DANDR 2002, Dr. Atkins plainly writes that your body will metabolize alcohol before it metabolizes fat, protein or carbs. So drinking alcohol will temporarily stop the ketosis/lipolysis process and that's why it's not allowed during Induction phase.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by not2late

...But the articles quote the atkins.com website and we all know that they've changed the diet to suit the corporation since Dr. Atkins died.

Ooooohhhh....very interesting! Nice analysis here, Megs. You certainly have a deeper historical grasp of Atkins, so I'm glad you peeled away the onions in these articles.

So, on the DANDR2002 vs. Atkins for Life issue. Wine's allowed in one of the rungs in DANDR2002, but not in Atkins for Life. Interesting. Can you briefly tell us what Dr. Atkins' rationale was for removing it from OWL?

Thanks again for this info - this site is such an awesome resource.

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

Ooooohhhh....very interesting! Nice analysis here, Megs. You certainly have a deeper historical grasp of Atkins, so I'm glad you peeled away the onions in these articles.

I read all his books. When I read DANDR 2002, there were holes in some areas. Holes in the sense that the explanations were scanty or non-existant. Supposedly, when Dr. Atkins was alive, you could call or write the Atkins Center in NYC and ask questions. If his Diet nurses didn't know the answer, they would run down the hall and ask Dr. A, himself. Unfortunately, by the time I started the Diet, Dr. Atkins was dead. So I figured that if I read his other books, they would fill in the gaps and probably offer a better picture of what he (and his diet) were about.

And it helped. When you read his other books, Dr. Atkins isn't a big fan of processed foods because he consistently points out that when America began eating more processed and refined foods, diseases like Type 2 Diabetes, heart attacks, etc. increased. I think it was in one of the books, he wrote that a famous cardiologist, Paul Dudley White, observed that heart attacks increased after the Wars when butter rations lead to the widespread use of margarine.

So, on the DANDR2002 vs. Atkins for Life issue. Wine's allowed in one of the rungs in DANDR2002, but not in Atkins for Life. Interesting. Can you briefly tell us what Dr. Atkins' rationale was for removing it from OWL?

Thanks again for this info - this site is such an awesome resource.

Addition/dependency/nutritional concerns----Dr. Atkins noticed that some folks were using their carbs for alcohol, rather than using them for nutritious things like veggies, fruits, nuts, legumes, starchy veggies, grains, etc. So Alcohol was removed from the OWL Ladder in AFL.

[Slapshot]

Ok, you convinced me. I'm gonna go get AFL and read it. Who knew!

I'm curious to read the Frankenfood analysis in AFL. Sounds interesting. The wine explanation makes sense. I guess I can't get my 20 carbs from 9 Michelob Ultras! Oh well, I guess I'll stick to plan.

[Canadian_Goddess]

Thanks for all the cool and interesting information folks! Sorry if my original posts didn't sound friendly, that was not my intention. I can see now that this program is way more complicated and scientific than I had originally thought, but I am intrigued. I will keep doing the research and follow the program faithfully.

[not2late]

Originally Posted by Canadian_Goddess

Thanks for all the cool and interesting information folks! Sorry if my original posts didn't sound friendly, that was not my intention. I can see now that this program is way more complicated and scientific than I had originally thought, but I am intrigued. I will keep doing the research and follow the program faithfully.

I'm happy that you are doing your research and asking questions before you begin. I always tell people that you wouldn't install your baby's car seat without first reading and understand the instructions, so why would you start a diet without first reading and understanding what the diet entails.

I was skeptical of Atkins too. Then I read the book and read it again. It made sense to me----more sense than the low fat vegetarian diet I had previously been on.

So good for you. Be as informed as possible before making your choice.

[msanjelpie]

Originally Posted by Canadian_Goddess

The reason it says I'm "in induction" on my profile is because when you sign up on this forum, it asks you what stage of the program you are in. It gives only a limited choice, but doesn't include "just looking" or anything like that. The only option I had to choose was induction.

On the Edit your Details page, under Atkins Phase, there is a spot at the top that is blank... You can just leave that field blank until you start induction...