Don't want to lose weight

[Riverj]

Paperback

[chinadoll]

Wow Riverj, I live in China and I get my Amazon orders in 2 weeks. I am amazed that Europe takes months.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by chinadoll

Wow Riverj, I live in China and I get my Amazon orders in 2 weeks. I am amazed that Europe takes months.

For Romania it takes 2 weeks too, shipped from the UK.

Where in Italy are you, RJ?

[Riverj]

What kind of shipping ? I use the standard shipping not the first class airmail.
Also I'm pretty sure the package sits at the customs for weeks before they send it to the post office where the buyer lives. I'm in romagna north italy.

[Georgiana]

My student budget only allows for standard shipping.

[Georgiana]

Very curious the delivery stuff...

Anyway. Back to your BS problem... Did you read the part with "Nutrients for Correcting Imbalance". In your book, it should be on page 328. Did you try the ideas there? Did they help at all?

[Riverj]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

Very curious the delivery stuff...

Anyway. Back to your BS problem... Did you read the part with "Nutrients for Correcting Imbalance". In your book, it should be on page 328. Did you try the ideas there? Did they help at all?

I haven't tried those yet, I hope my pharmacy has those supplements. Time ago I asked for glucose and salt tablets and they didn't know what I was talking about.

Have you read the list of foods I have been eating on a low carb diet?
Can you suggest anything about eating more without spending a lot more?

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by Riverj

Have you read the list of foods I have been eating on a low carb diet?
Can you suggest anything about eating more without spending a lot more?

We can't do the diet for you, RJ. You know your budget, you know what foods you can tolerate, you know what the prices are where you live.

You said you wanted to add more carbs, so it will depend on the carbs you want to add. Look for what's on sale at the supermarket where you usually shop. Eggs are cheap almost everywhere. Since you live in Italy, your dishes are often cooked with olive oil. Fattier cuts of meat will also raise your calories. Of course, my suggestions don't help you if you want to lower your fat intake, as you wrote in one of your posts.

[Georgiana]

Check mat, RJ! It was nice playing with you though.

You see, the yucky troll smell has been in your threads for a while, both here and on the other low carb board. But taken on each board alone, it was not strong enough to justify the use of TrollEx. In fact, if you had stuck with only one board, I'm sure you would have managed to stay longer in the game.

I don't know what your intentions were when you registered both boards. Exasperate members? Get opposite advice and rally members against each other? Were you just bored now that classes are over? Or did you simply want to have some fun?

In any case, it would be a good idea to tell the truth next time you decide to play this game. It would also be a good idea if you'd educate yourself about Atkins before complaining about the problems it has caused you. And it would also be a good idea to appear less passive, because that's how someone who complains of health problems as serious as yours should be.

There is nothing wrong with registering on two or more low carb boards. But don't forget that just as we don't know who's behind the computer screen, so don't you.

To clarify this for all ADBB members, here's a history of RJ's activity on both boards.

10th of May
RJ registers on the other low carb board. No posts for a while...

26th of May
RJ becomes a member at ADBB and immediately makes his first post: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...emaciated.html (Losing too much weight and getting emaciated). He complains about losing too much weight and getting emaciated. He is very happy with his results on Atkins, because he managed to stabilize his blood sugar swings and lost 20 lbs, mostly from his gut. His only problem is losing too much weight and he wanted to know what he can do to stop the weight loss.

27th of May
RJ posts his menu on ADBB. It consists of bacon, eggs and brie for breakfast (2 carbs), zucchini, pepper, hamburger, heavy cream and walnuts for lunch (18 carbs), and shrimps, salmon, guacamole, pumpkin, olives and strawberries for dinner (23 carbs), so a total of 43 carbs.

When asked how long he has been on Atkins, he replies saying 2-1/2 months. Out of these 10 weeks, 3 were spent on Induction, and the other 7 climbing the first 7 rungs of the Carbohydrate Ladder and building up to 50 carbs per day, which means he added about 5 carbs per week, just as one should do in OWL. He also wrote that he hasn't moved to Pre-Maintenance yet, because he wanted "to reintroduce carbohydrates back as slow as possible to avoid sabotaging the results I had in balancing my sugar".

28th of May
RJ complains that his doctor doesn't want to help him because of some "fad diet" from the US and there's absolutely nothing he can about it.

RJ also makes his first post on the other low carb board, basically a copy of what he posted on ADBB.

1st of June
From his posts on the other low carb board, we find that RJ went shopping on the 1st and he decided to start the GL diet. He also wrote on the other board that Atkins is too expensive, too strict and it "shocked" his body "too much". A little puzzling considering he was "very happy" with his results only 4-5 days before.

2nd-3rd of June
RJ wrote on the other low carb board that he took a proper glucose tolerance test, test which dropped his glucose down to 36 and caused him to faint. On the other hand, on ADBB he wrote only a few days before that his fainting episode occurred after drinking at home a glass of water sweetened with several tablespoons of sugar, when he couldn't find any Coke:

Bananas used to be huge triggers to me, like honey, milk, potatoes and rice. Eating these foods used to make me feel sick two hours later. Some time I wanted to drink something and there were no coca-cola in the house. So I took a glass of cold water and added several tablespoon of sugar. The whole thing was incredibly sweet but I drunk it anyway. Two hours later I fainted. I went to hospital to be sure and my blood glucose was 38.

This is hardly a proper glucose tolerance test, as someone who has read DANDR "from cover to cover", as RJ claims he did, should know very well.

3rd of June
Up to this point, RJ's trolling was almost immaculate, but from here he kind of messed up. He wrote on the other low carb board that he has learned that eating very low carb worsens his condition and Atkins Induction did not improve his blood sugar symptoms after three weeks. He also wrote that he has found eating a high fat diet (like Atkins) makes him feel sick.

All after just the week before he wrote this on ADBB:

I'm very happy with the results. I have stabilized my blood sugar and I have no more the daily symptoms of sugar swings

and this:

Induction have helped me since I don't have the big swings I used to have anymore. It was like a clock, mid morning, mid afternoon and night I would become spacey, lethargic, confused, shaky and had cold spells. Now it is way more under control and I don't have the tendency to fall asleep after a meal. So I'm really afraid of going back to where I was by adding to much carbs.

and this:

I wanted to reintroduce carbohydrates back as slow as possible to avoid sabotaging the results I had in balancing my sugar. In a forum I read people who are forever on induction in order to control their blood sugar swings. I don't want to limit myself to 20 grams of carb per day forever, so I needed to be very careful with each phase, since during induction blood sugar swings disappeared completely.

and this:

I did the test in the Atkins book and I scored very high for unstable blood sugar. Also before understand anything about this I could feel they well energy swings, from energetic to tired rollercoasters, and to me that could only mean blood sugar. Induction indeed remove the swings.

and this:

The symptoms decreased during induction, so my instinct was right in believing it was a blood sugar issue.

And on the 2nd of June, RJ wrote on the other board that eating very low carb, i.e. less than 60 g per day, has caused him to feel sick.

5th of June
RJ posts on the other board that for the past week he has followed no plan. He added a few more carbs (which weren't a few at all because he posted this on ADBB later) and his blood sugar "went crazy".

So, after RJ has been advised by many members on two different boards to increase his carbs *slowly* and eat them with some fat and protein to minimize their effect on his blood sugar, what does he decide to do? "Test" 1/3 cup of rice (15 carbs), 5 tbsp of quinoa (22 carbs) and 11 other higher rung foods in large amounts, all in two weeks; and not even test them properly, but eat them without anything else. Again, hardly what someone who has read the book "from cover to cover" would do.

8th of June
RJ returns to better feelings about Atkins: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...se-weight.html (Don't want to lose weight)

Unfortunately for him, his thread triggered the troll beeper. He has been asking the exact same questions for almost two weeks without following any of the advice he was given. But some of us were patient and were still hoping he is not a troll, so we kept replying to his posts. Besides, an occasional troll can be somehow beneficial to a board as the posts might help genuine members.

Anyway... Moving on.

10th of June
RJ confesses that he forgot about the rungs. How can one forget about them after reading DANDR "from cover to cover" is beyond me... especially when he has problems with his diet.

13th of June
Most trolls are uneducated about Atkins, but RJ insisted that he has read DANDR. So nothing wrong in asking him a few question about the book, right? Asked what he has on pages 89 and 112 of his DANDR, RJ says he has the 20 carbs sample menu and the Carbohydrate Ladder, respectively.

Something was smelling fishy. Or should I say, 'trolly'?

13th-15th of June
Since there are only so many versions of DANDR, I showed RJ a random book cover. I seem to be very good at guessing, because that's exactly the one RJ has! Remember his DANDR has the menu on page 89 and the Carbohydrate Ladder on page 112. From RJ's post above, you can see what RJ's book has on page 328. Now all other members, please open your books on page 328... and now on page 89... and then 112.

And there's even more. On the other board, RJ posted that he has days when he feels like eating vegetarian or vegan. This "wanna be vegan" is the same guy that has a major blood sugar problem and whose blood sugar levels get messed up from eating an omelet.

14th of June
On the other board, RJ asks the GI is proportional to the amount of food eaten. But only a few days before, he was able to tell me the GI and GL of 1/3 cup of brown rice and 5 tbsp of quinoa. And not long ago he also wrote:

When I test new carbs I test a small amount so that the GL is less than 10.

RJ, many members have spent their time giving you advice, on both boards. It's a pity that you are following none, because these members could have instead spent their time helping someone who is genuinely interested in doing Atkins. Personally I don't mind what you do on the other board, because there I am a regular member. But since I am a moderator here at ADBB, if you choose to complain about the health problems Atkins is causing you, please educate yourself about the diet first. If you do indeed have a health problem, then you should treat it more seriously and, if you choose to follow Atkins, read DANDR. Otherwise you are just forcing us to point out not only your lack of knowledge, but also your lies.

This is an Atkins Diet board. However RJ, you have not been following Atkins for the past months, you are not following Atkins at the moment either, and you do not appear to have any intention of following Atkins in the near future. Good luck with whatever dietary plan you decide to follow for sorting out your blood sugar issues. Arrivederci!

[Riverj]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

RJ, many members have spent their time giving you advice, on both boards. It's a pity that you are following none, because these members could have instead spent their time helping someone who is genuinely interested in doing Atkins. Personally I don't mind what you do on the other board, because there I am a regular member. But since I am a moderator here at ADBB, if you choose to complain about the health problems Atkins is causing you, please educate yourself about the diet first. If you do indeed have a health problem, then you should treat it more seriously and, if you choose to follow Atkins, read DANDR. Otherwise you are just forcing us to point out not only your lack of knowledge, but also your lies.

This is an Atkins Diet board. However RJ, you have not been following Atkins for the past months, you are not following Atkins at the moment either, and you do not appear to have any intention of following Atkins in the near future. Good luck with whatever dietary plan you decide to follow for sorting out your blood sugar issues. Arrivederci!

Wow how do you know I'm the same person just because we have a similar history? Anyway yes I'm the same person and in the other thread I also found someone in my country with the same problem who could attest that everything I said is real.

Reading different information from different threads might not give a complete picture of what I'm talking about. If you want I can clarify everything for you step by step.

Let's start with the Atkins book:

This is what I read in the first chapter: "Lose weight! Increase energy! Look great! This book will show you how it's done"

This is the chapter about "Nutrients for Correcting Imbalances" that I read as soon as you suggest it to me: "doing atkins is a crucial first step in dealing with glucose insulin disorders, ranging from unstable blood sugar to full blown diabetes"

That's why I replied saying that I don't know if vanadium and chronium are available by my pharmacist. And a matter of fact I dind't want to look picky, but the page number 328 you said to look at, doesn't exist in my book that doesn't have as many pages.

This is the "Carbohydrate Ladder" I was talking about:

1) Mosa salad and other vegetables on the acceptable food list
2) Fresh cheese
3) Seeds and nuts
4) Berries
5) Wine and other spirits low in carbs
6) Legumes
7) Fruits other than berries and melons
8 )Starchy vegetables
9) Whole grains

You must be very good at guessing indeed, since the random book cover you showed is exactly from the Harper Collins website, the publisher I told you about.

The reason why I lied about my glucose tolerance test is that I thought this was the official Atkins Company forum and I know better than claiming I suffer from a medically diagnosed condition on an official forum as the only reply I have got in such cases is "go see a doctor, we can't treat you on the net". I have been told this lot of time as official sites are very defensive about people who are sick and might compromise the good name a company. I remember well what mess happened when newspaper claimed that a girl was killed by ketoacidosis because of Atkins diet.
Lately I wrote a person who wrote an interesting blog post about hypoglycemia asking or advices and he just said to me to consult a doctor, even if I told him my doctor is rather closed minded and doesn't help. Americans seems more scared than every one else about saying something in a forum that might be received as a medical advice, putting everyone at legal risk. We're more laxed with such stuff on the net.

Also I wanted to know what people thought about losing too much weight without considering my condition because I'm not sure hypoglycemia has anything to do with my weight loss. You might not understand my confused screwed mind but I had my reasons.

What I said about my doctor is still true.
Once I was diagnosed he told me to eat more complex carbs and I said I feel better with less carbs but he didn't want to listen to me. I told him what huge problem has been hypoglycemia for me and he just told me "come on son, you don't have cancer or anything"

I have read DANDR from cover to cover and I have followed it losely, in other words I have tried reducing my carbs to very low levels counting them. I didn't follow the diet by the book even if I have read the book. That's my fault

My blood glucose and reaction to food are so random that when asked day by day what food had negative effects on me, I might have provided different answers based on what I felt that day.

If I said in the other forum that Atkins didn't help me or that I felt sick on it, it's just because I wanted to make it short enough. Right now very low carb doesn't work anymore to me just like it worked a month ago. I'm not sure way, I have asked on a diabetes website and I have been told that maybe I hypersecrete insulin and my body adapts to whatever diet change by releasing the same amount of insulin. Hence why I might need to start moderate carb and reduce the carb intake slowly. Atkins actually helped me but since I didn't know I was being stalked from forum to forum (joking ) I didn't explain everything in the other forum. I'm a huge Atkins supporter, reading his book I realized he was not only an insightful doctor but also a kind and compresenhive person with lot of enthusiasm for the health of his patients.

I have different accounts in different forums. I'm sorry you got offended by this but it's not like I don't trust you or need a second opinion, but the more people you can contact at once that might know something about your problem, the better. After all if I hadn't made that post on the other forum, I could have never met this other person in my country which suffers from my same problem.

If you look better at the other forum I have asked dozen of questions about dozen of plans. This doesn't mean I'm not faithful to Atkins but in my condition and with such a craving for health I'm willing to try anything. I asked about the "Metabolism Miracle", the "Carbohydrates Addict Diet", the "Intuitive Eating Diet" and even the "Glycemic Load Diet" which is actually very similar to Atkins maintenance, just less complex.

I said that I know what the GL of most foods because until now I have just given from granted that the GL is proportionial. But I had a doubt and that's why I asked that question. To make the post short I just said I didn't understand whether the GL is proportional instead of saying that I thought the GL was proportional and had till that point measured the GL of foods according to such belief.

I made the post about veganism in the Intuitive Eating thread. Intuitive eaters believe in eating what their body craves, whether it is pizza or ice-cream and they too take health into account. There are times where my body craves a rest from eating all that meat and I wonder what the Intuitive Eaters thought about this.

I know a person Stephanie Kenrose, who suffer from hypoglycemia and has a son of 8 with the same problem. She has written a book about it and is nowadays symptoms free from a vegetarian diet moderate in carbs. It doesn't work for me but I'm glad it works for her and her son. So just because I suffer from this condition, it doesn't mean that automatically I should never ask or think about a vegetarian diet.

I'm not a troll, a twisted guy for sure, but as I said I can clarify anything if you just ask.

Thank you for your kind help