Induction sweetner limits, are they real?

[2big4mysize]

This is something I've been trying to sort out for awhile. It's regarding Artificial Sweeteners. I'm sure you're aware the response to questions about the use of artificial sweeteners on ADBB is - "3 packets per day, 1 carb per packet, no aspartame." However, this is what DANDR actually says:

Quote:

Saccharin has been extensively studied, and harmful effects were produced in the lab when fed to rats only in extremely high doses. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has removed saccharin from its list of carcinogens, basing its decision upon a thorough review of the medical literature and the National Institute of Science’s statement that there is "no clear association between saccharin and human cancer." It can be safely consumed in moderation, meaning no more than three packets a day. Saccharin is marketed as Sweet'n Low™.

We discourage the use of aspartame (marketed as NutraSweet® and Equal®) because of clinical observations that it slows weight loss in certain individuals. The FDA has approved the herb stevia for use only as a supplement, not as a sweetener.

The Atkins preference, however, is sucralose (Splenda™), the only sweetener made from sugar. Sucralose is safe, noncaloric and does not raise blood sugar. It has been used in Canada for years, and the FDA recently approved it after reviewing more than 100 studies conducted over the past 20 years. Note that each packet of sugar substitute contains about 1 gram of carbohydrate, so don’t forget to include the amount in your daily totals.


Am I reading this wrong? I'm reading this to say:

No aspartame.
Sweet n'Low (saccharin) - 3 packets per day max
Splenda (sucralose) - count as 1 carb

IS there a limit to the amount of Splenda per day? It doesn't say so above. It just says to count them as 1 carb each. Now, naturally, I wouldn't want to use 10 of my daily carbs on Splenda -- but I may want to use 5 or 6 on a hot summer day when I make some caffeine-free iced tea!

I'd appreciate any clarification you can provide.

Joan

This is something that bothered me too as i had an earlier copy of DANDR when I started and was concerned about all the changes in the 2002 version. If you have read the older books you know this was a cut and paste addition of some new info, altering of old info and some removal of old info. It was very poorly edited too chapter 11 and chapter 18 induction have different rules and the sweetner is in chapter 18 but not 11.
I called the Atkins folk back when I got the books with all the difference and ask why and if I needed to change since I was on the old book already.
First they apologized for any confusion caused by the inconsistancies in the chapters of the new book.They said the sweetener limit is 3 servings a day of all products using sweeteners during induction not just 3 packets. It was to help us get control of our food choices and for us to make healthier choices during induction.

That info was given to many of the early mods of this board last yr when they too called to see what was going on and it was passed on to newer members by the pay it forward folk who came afterwards.[/quote]

[Desertthorn]

This may be a great place to remind folks that Splenda packets list 0g carbs, but each actually contains 0.9g (almost 1 gram per 1 teaspoon packet) Splenda has 24 g carbs per cup in its granular form.

[2big4mysize]

actually the granular form and the packet forms are not identical formulas.


hehehe a Desertthor11 24 carbs for 1 cup of your stuff would be if they were the same .25 for the packet as a packet contains 1/2t of powder, but 2t of sweetener power. Dr Atkins said to count it as 1 so we do but legally to say 0 it has to have less then.5 carbs

[sassyone]

So are you saying that the packets only have .25 carbs each?

[Anonymous]

Originally Posted by sassyone

So are you saying that the packets only have .25 carbs each?

The packets have 0.49g carb each or close enough....

[2big4mysize]

No I said if they had the same chemical formul for the meausure stuff as the packet stuff then the packets would be based on Dessertthorn11's post of 24 carbs per cup of sugar sweetness .25 carbs for the packets as they contain 2 teapoons of sugar sweetness per 1/2 teasppon of product.


but they have a different chemical formula for packets as it has less of the bulking agents.

[chinadoll]

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[atkinsgal08]

>>The packets have 0.49g carb each or close enough....>>

The packets are 0.9 net carbs.

A cup of granular is 24 net carbs, so a Tbs. is 1.5 net carbs and a tsp. is 0.5 net carbs.

Yes, the limit is real ... and it applies to Splenda also.

There's another mention of the limit in Chapter 18. Item # 18 in the section Go!

>>25 carbs for the packets as they contain 2 teapoons of sugar sweetness per 1/2 teasppon of product. >>

That's not how the math works for net carbs. You can't use the math for the granular to arrive at the math for the packets. They're two different things and they have unique net carb counts.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by atkinsgal08

>>25 carbs for the packets as they contain 2 teapoons of sugar sweetness per 1/2 teasppon of product. >>

That's not how the math works for net carbs. You can't use the math for the granular to arrive at the math for the packets. They're two different things and they have unique net carb counts.

I believe you and 2Big are talking about different things. 2Big is not talking about granular Splenda. She was actually correcting Desertthorn... is just that she typed her replies... messy.

Desertthorn says that Splenda packets list 0 g carbohydrate. --> Mistake #1, because Splenda packets say "Total carb. less than 1 g". It would need to have at most 0.5 g to be 0 on the label.

And she also says that 1 tsp of Splenda powder has 1 g carbohydrate --> Mistake #2, according to 2Big, who says that 1 packet fits in 1/2 tsp (I have no idea if it fits in 1/2 tsp or 1 tsp though).

So 2Big now explains that, if
1 tsp Splenda powder = 1 packet Splenda = 0.5 net carbs
as Desertthorn implied by saying that 1 packet = 1 net carb and the carbs are 0 on the label, then
1/2 tsp Splenda powder = 0.25 net carbs.

And since, in reality, 1/2 tsp Splenda powder = 1 packet of Splenda, it would mean that 1 packet of Splenda has 0.25 net carbs.

Yes, there is a flaw in logic there...

[atkinsgal08]

>> 1 packet of Splenda has 0.25 net carbs.>>

It's still wrong.

According to the Splenda website, a packet is 0.9 net carbs.

>>in reality, 1/2 tsp Splenda powder = 1 packet of Splenda>>

Maybe in terms of sweeting power versus sugar but not in what the net carb count is.

The truth of the matter is:

1 cup of granular Splenda is 24 net carbs. Thus, 1 Tbs. is 1.5 net carbs and 1 tsp. is 0.5 net carbs.

1 packet is 0.9 net carbs.