High fat, high protein cause obesity

[liv]

I am going to place this here as I need to go and read this research article in full

Low-carbohydrate diets cause obesity, low-carbohydrate diets reverse obesity: a metabolic mechanism resolving the paradox

High-fat diets produce obesity in part because, per calorie, glucose produces greater post-prandial thermogenesis than lipids, an effect probably mediated by glucose-sensing neurons. A very low carbohydrate/high-fat/high-protein Atkins-type diet produces obesity but is marginally ketogenic in mice. In contrast, high-sucrose/low-fat diets, and very low carbohydrate/high-fat/low-protein (anti-epileptic) ketogenic diets reverse diet-induced obesity independent of caloric intake. We propose that a non-ketogenic high-fat diet reduces glucose metabolism and signaling in glucose-sensing neurons, thereby reducing postprandial thermogenesis, and that a ketogenic high-fat diet does not reduce glucose signaling, thereby preventing and/or reversing obesity.

Do low carbohydrate diets promote or reverse obesity?“A systematic review of low-carbohydrate diets found that the weight loss achieved is associated with the duration of the diet and restriction of energy intake, but not with restriction of carbohydrates.”(Astrup et al., 2004)
“This review covers evidence from carefully controlled laboratory studies, clinical trials, studies in populations at high risk of developing obesity, and epidemiologic studies on the role of sugars, particularly sucrose, in the development of obesity. Although many environmental factors promote a positive energy balance, it is clear that the consumption of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet increases the likelihood of weight gain.” (Saris, 2003)
These two statements from recent reviews neatly state the current consensus regarding the effect of dietary composition on obesity. In fact, despite the enormous popularity of low-carbohydrate diets such as the Atkins diet, the South Beach diet and the Zone diet, the professional consensus is that low-carbohydrate diets (which typically implies high-fat diets) are more likely to produce obesity than reverse obesity. Although several studies have reported that low-carbohydrate diets are slightly better than low-fat diets to reduce body weight over a period of about 4-6 months (Brehm et al., 2003; Brehm et al., 2004; Foster et al., 2003), the differences were not significant after a year (Foster et al., 2003; Stern et al., 2004). Similarly, recent “low-glycemic” diets have been promoted as useful for weight loss (Ludwig, 2003). It must be emphasized, however, other studies have failed to support the effectiveness of low-carbohydrate diets (Astrup et al., 2004; Lean & Lara, 2004; Meckling et al., 2004; Truby et al., 2004) or low glycemic diets (Sloth et al., 2004) in long-term maintenance of weight loss. Similarly, although under certain circumstances access to sucrose separately from protein can lead to over-consumption and increased adiposity, this phenomenon appears to occur due to a requirement for sufficient protein and the effect is not observed when protein concentrations are high enough (Kanarek et al., 1987). Certainly many studies have demonstrated the beneficial effects of high-carbohydrate, low fat diets (e.g., the Mediterranean diet: Schroder et al., 2004) in reducing adiposity and other aspects of the metabolic syndrome.

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How do low carbohydrate diets promote obesity?Considerable evidence supports that high-fat diets produce obesity in part because they produce a more metabolically efficient state (Surwit et al., 1995). Although for some diets and genotypes fats may also be more palatable and therefore increased caloric consumption may also contribute to diet-induced obesity, high fat diets can produce obesity even when consumed isocalorically with low-fat diets (Surwit et al., 1995). For example, matching caloric intake in rats on a high-fat vs. a low-fat diet causes increased adiposity in the calorie-matched high-fat group (Woods et al., 2003). It should be noted that the key observation that diets of different compositions differ in their effect on metabolic efficiency is not inconsistent with the laws of thermodynamics (Feinman & Fine, 2004).
The reason that high-fat diets produce a more metabolically efficient state may be that glucose produces more post-prandial thermogenesis than fats (Westerterp, 2004). Specifically, increasing plasma glucose either by infusion (King et al., 1986) or ingestion (Rothwell et al., 1983) increases metabolic rate. In fact, per calorie, carbohydrates produce about 3-fold more thermogenesis than fat (Almind & Kahn, 2004; Westerterp, 2004). At least part of glucose-induced thermogenesis is mediated by neuroendocrine mechanisms, since infusion of glucose directly into either the third ventricle or into the periphery produces similar enhancement of metabolic rate (Le Feuvre et al., 1991), probably via activation of the sympathetic nervous system whose sensitivity to glucose may play a role in the development of obesity (de Jonge & Bray, 2002; Landsberg & Krieger, 1989). Furthermore, 2-deoxyglucose (2-DG) reduces temperature through effects on hypothalamic neurons, apparently via the autonomic nervous system (Shiraishi & Mager, 1980a, 1980b). Similarly, infusion of 2-DG into the ventromedial hypothalamus activates peripheral autonomic responses (W. P. Borg et al., 1995), and infusions of glucose into the hypothalamus block autonomic responses to peripheral hypoglycemia (M. A. Borg et al., 1997).
Although acute effects of glucose on metabolic rate are well-documented, to our knowledge only three studies, one published (He et al., 1998) and two unpublished from our laboratory, have addressed if reduced glucose signaling leads to long-term increases in adiposity. The published study (He et al., 1998) examined the effect of infusing 5-thioglucose (5-TG) into the fourth ventricle of rats for 14 days. When acutely infused into the fourth ventricle or brainstem, 5-TG produces local glucopenia leading to acute hyperphagia and other neuroendocrine responses similar those produced by 2-DG or hypoglycemia (R. C. Ritter et al., 1981; S. Ritter et al., 2000). When infused for 14 days, the effects to increase food intake are rapidly lost, similar to the effects of repetitive exposure to 2-DG (Sanders & Ritter, 2000). Nevertheless, chronic infusion of 5-TG caused increased weight of the retroperitoneal and parametrial fat pad depots and increased adiposity as determined by body composition measurements. Similarly, we have demonstrated that chronic 2-DG produces strikingly increased adiposity in the nematode C. elegans without increasing food intake (Yen & Mobbs, 2004). Finally we have demonstrated that mice lacking one allele of the glucokinase gene, a key component of the hypothalamic glucose-sensing mechanism (Dunn-Meynell et al., 2002; X. J. Yang et al., 1999; X. J. Yang et al., 2004b), become more obese, and exhibit higher plasma leptin and insulin, on a high-fat diet than wild-type controls, without consuming more calories than controls (X.-J. Yang et al., 2004a). Taken together, these studies support that glucose signaling in the brain plays a key role in long-term regulation of energy balance, mainly through a metabolic rather than behavioral mechanism.

How do low carbohydrate diets reverse obesity?Therefore these studies predict that low-carbohydrate, high-fat diets should produce obesity, rather than reverse obesity. These considerations suggest that low-carbohydrate diets may facilitate weight loss in humans (when they do) through psychological, social, or economic mechanisms that overcome the biochemical mechanisms mediating high-fat induced obesity. However as described below, ketogenic diets may activate other mechanisms. To address this hypothesis, we assessed if an Atkins-type low-carbohydrate (5% by calories), standard protein (20% by calories), high-fat (76%) diet would promote weight loss in mice made obese by a standard high-fat (45%), moderate carbohydrate (35%) standard protein (20%) diet (Isoda et al., 2004). For comparison, another group of obese mice was placed on a high simple carbohydrate (corn syrup, 75%) low fat (5%) diet. After switching to the new diets, mice on the Atkins-type low-carbohydrate diet continued to gain weight, whereas the corn syrup diet produced a rapid restoration of body weight (as well as all other aspects of metabolic control such as insulin sensitivity) similar to that observed in chow fed mice. Interestingly, mice on the corn syrup diet ate the same number of calories as mice on the Atkins-type diet (e.g., mice on the corn syrup diet actually ate more mass) but the mice on the corn syrup diet nevertheless rapidly lost weight whereas mice on the Atkins-type diet gained weight. These observations suggest that a high simple carbohydrate diet entails a higher average metabolic rate than a high fat diet, as had been previously suggested (Surwit et al., 1995).
On the other hand, we observed that the very low carbohydrate diet (even when carbohydrate was reduced almost to zero) did not significantly increase blood ketone concentration, and produced only a modest effect to reduce blood glucose. We hypothesized that the plasma glucose was derived largely from gluconeogenesis due to the relatively high concentration of amino acids in the diet. It should be noted that the true ketogenic diet used clinically to control epilepsy entails a much lower concentration of protein (8% by calories) than is recommended for Atkins-type diets (20%). When we reduced the protein concentration to 8% (still maintaining carbohydrate at only 5%), adiposity was reversed as rapidly as occurred on the high-sucrose diet. Interestingly, mice on the ketogenic diet consumed the same number of calories as mice on the Atkins-type diet, but rapidly lost weight anyway. This comparison again suggests that metabolic efficiency plays a key role in diet-induced obesity and its reversal by ketogenic diets.
These studies clearly suggest that ketogenic diets produce a less metabolically efficient state than high-fat non-ketogenic diets, so if conditions can be produced which enhance conversion of lipids to ketones, metabolic rate per calorie is effectively increased, consistent with previous reports that chronic infusion of ketones into the brain reduce body weight (Davis et al., 1981). It should be noted, however, that the ketogenic diet is no more effective than the high-sugar diet in reversing diet-induced obesity. Nevertheless, it was surprising that a ketogenic diet would be so effective in reversing obesity in the presence of such high concentrations of (metabolically efficient) fats.
We propose that ketones reverse obesity by counteracting the effect of a high fat diet to impair glucose metabolism (Atkins, 1998). We (X.-J. Yang et al., 2004a; X. J. Yang et al., 1999) and others (Dunn-Meynell et al., 2002; Lee et al., 2004) have previously demonstrated that hypothalamic glucose-sensing neurons sense glucose through its metabolism, similar to the glucose-sensing mechanism of pancreatic beta cells (Newgard & McGarry, 1995). However, we (X.-J. Yang et al., 2004a; X. J. Yang et al., 1999), and others (Ainscow et al., 2002; Fioramonti et al., 2004) have argued that ATP is not the key metabolic signal in neuroendocrine hypothalamic responses to glucose. Instead, we have argued that the key metabolic signal is NADH (X.-J. Yang et al., 2004a; X. J. Yang et al., 1999). Consistent with basic principles of biochemistry (e.g., the lac operon) we also have evidence from microarray studies that glucose induces glycolytic capacity and inhibits beta oxidation whereas a high fat diet reduces glycolytic capacity and stimulates beta oxidation. Since cytoplasmic NADH is a unique signature of glycolysis (as opposed to ATP, which reflects both glycolysis and beta oxidation), we hypothesize that glucose-induced gene expression is mediated through changes in NADH, not ATP. Lipids would be less efficient at producing NADH, since beta oxidation produces FADH2 instead of NADH. However, in contrast to beta-oxidation of lipids, the mitochondrial metabolism of ketone bodies produces NADH, not FADH2. We therefore propose that high-fat non-ketogenic diets lead to obesity because free fatty acids reduce glycolysis in glucose-sensing hypothalamic neurons. We further propose that ketogenic diets reverse obesity by preventing the inhibitory effect of lipids on glycolysis, thus maintaining relatively elevated post-prandial thermogenesis.

[ErinB]

I will be looking forward to your comments after you finish reading the entire article. I did (try to) read the quotes you included above and this sentence stood out for me:

To address this hypothesis, we assessed if an Atkins-type low-carbohydrate (5% by calories), standard protein (20% by calories), high-fat (76%) diet would promote weight loss in mice made obese by a standard high-fat (45%), moderate carbohydrate (35%) standard protein (20%) diet (Isoda et al., 2004

I have to wonder why they used those percentages when I thought we used carbohydrate (5%), protein (30%), fat (65%) as a guideline for the induction phase. Personally, now that I'm in OWL rung 3 and 30 net carbs per day, I see something like this on average: carbohydrate (12%); protein (26%); fat (61%). I expect to see those percentages changing again if I am able to increase net carbs.

I guess my question would be, why point at the Atkins-type "diet" unless one is going to study what that actually is?


Edit: Thinking about this some more, am I comparing apples and oranges. Are my percentages (from fitday.com) based on grams while that study's percentages are based on calories?

Edit 2: I answered my own question in the edit above. When I calculate the percentages based on calories, the percentages come out the same. So my original question of this study stands.

[liv]

I found it kind of interesting. They have to admit that at some point eating plenty of fat will make mice lose weight. It seems like they were reluctant to do so.

I would like to know what the sources of those carbs were. We really believe that the source of carb is as important as the amount of it. In some instances perhaps more.

I also learned mice do not easily go into ketosis
the study is a bit old - it only review material from 2004 - we have moved beyond that. So I am not sure this is at all relevant to anybody now.

But Erin I do not know - I am thinking they based these numbers on the older version of Atkins the 1972 perhaps? Although I am thinking that even in that version protein would be a lot higher. Who knows. Some times scientists make up their own parameters so they can get the results they want. It is disgusting. But it happens. It often depends on who paid them.
(Perhaps the corn syrup manufacturer in this case - I have not checked so I am just making this up right now)

[FwL]

It should be noted, however, that the ketogenic diet is no more effective than the high-sugar diet in reversing diet-induced obesity

Wow! I guess this means I can forget all this low carb nonsense and go back to pounding down sugar if I really want to lose weight.


I know that anecdotal evidence is the bane of the scientific community, but it just kills me when you can look at hundreds if not thousands of people losing weight consistently with low carb diets but that doesn't count because "controlled" studies "suggest" that those adherents are getting fatter not skinnier.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by liv

I also learned mice do not easily go into ketosis

Mrs. Meow: Meow! I hate mice! But if I'll ever have a mouse as a pet, I'll make sure to feed it........ hmmm..... FAT!

*mwhaha*

I am thinking they based these numbers on the older version of Atkins the 1972 perhaps? Although I am thinking that even in that version protein would be a lot higher.

Georgiana: A study on Atkins Induction done in 1980 and funded by the Atkins Center used 29.3% protein, 66.5% fat, 4.2% carbs. The average caloric intake was 1461 kcal.

I didn't read the Atkineer mice study yet. Maybe this weekend.

Thinking of it... I had a bunch of mice in Baltimore. I could have experimented. Next time maybe.

[liv]

My next question would be how do you measure ketosis in mice. I would think it would be hard to get them to pee on a stick.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by liv

My next question would be how do you measure ketosis in mice. I would think it would be hard to get them to pee on a stick.

They fit them with diapers and hide the stix inside. [jk]

They don't measure acetoacetate, but acetone and beta-hydroxybutyrate (beta-OHB) in breath and blood. These measurements are more reliable than the stix, which would only measure excess acetoacetetate Mickey Mouse pees. Acetone is a waste product of fat metabolism, so it is not used for fuel; beta-OHB can be created from acetoacetate or converted into acetoacetate and acetone.

[liv]

Darn I kind of liked the stick and diaper thought.

[RitaCeleste]

Why is it always mice? Why not pigs, or raccoons? What about when the studies where they controlled the calories, used humans, and Atkins out did low-fat diets? I got fatter cutting the fat. I can eat two $1 tv dinners a day and not loose any weight. I can eat 3 and not really gain either. It didn't really explain to me why I lose weight when I am in ketosis and don't seem to at other times. And it would seem from reading this I should be the size of a whale, but I'm not? It seems to be a case where humans are not mice and with all the low-carbers, why not look at them? All I can figure is that people are not mice and something is different. Humans must hit the fat burning with a higher % of protein than mice will. It still doesn't explain whatever happens in my body. I have learned I am different from mice. Funny that, we look so much alike!