THE REAL RESON WHY ATKINS SORT OF WORKS, BUT VERY UNHEALTHY

[waynegr]

Hi there,

Does anyone know why the Atkins diet works, the answer is not at all what the so called experts say here, it was proven why in bbc horizon program, it was the biggest study on atkins, it was done on 4 groups of 60 people for 6 months, they should really tell you the truth here, it has nothing to do with insulin by the way,the answer is it does, but it does make you lose weight but not in the way you think, lets see if the people whom use it know ???

Thank you Wayne

[Simon Cowell]

Gee Wayne now thats what I call a very informative post

Please Please tell me why

I cant stand the suspense.

[DragnIron]

Yes please do tell

[waynegr]

Hi there,

Lets give it a day or two, for the so called experts to have a say.
it's a funny sort of answer but the truth.

Thank you Wayne

[not2late]

Re: THE REAL RESON WHY ATKINS SORT OF WORKS, BUT VERY UNHEAL

Hi there,

Does anyone know why the Atkins diet works, the answer is not at all what the so called experts say here, it was proven why in bbc horizon program, it was the biggest study on atkins, it was done on 4 groups of 60 people for 6 months, they should really tell you the truth here, it has nothing to do with insulin by the way,the answer is it does, but it does make you lose weight but not in the way you think, lets see if the people whom use it know ???

Thank you Wayne

Hi.

First off, which of the following low carb studies did the BBC program quote? I have to know in order to find out exactly what the BBC presented to its audience.

Foster GD, Wyatt HR, Hill JO, et al.
A randomized trial of a low-carbohydrate diet for obesity.
N Engl J Med (United States), May 22 2003, 348(21) p2082-90

Sharman MJ, Gomez AL, Kraemer WJ, et al.
Very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets affect fasting lipids and postprandial lipemia differently in overweight men.
J Nutr (United States), Apr 2004, 134(4) p880-5

Yancy WS, Olsen MK, Guyton JR, et al.
A low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet versus a low-fat diet to treat obesity and hyperlipidemia: a randomized, controlled trial.
Ann Intern Med (United States), May 18 2004, 140(10) p769-77

Stern L, Iqbal N, Seshadri P, et al.
The effects of low-carbohydrate versus conventional weight loss diets in severely obese adults: one-year follow-up of a randomized trial.
Ann Intern Med (United States), May 18 2004, 140(10) p778-85

Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al.
A randomized study comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive protein levels in patients with severe obesity.
Am J Med (United States), Sep 15 2004, 117(6) p398-405

Meckling KA, O'Sullivan C, Saari D
Comparison of a low-fat diet to a low-carbohydrate diet on weight loss, body composition, and risk factors for diabetes and cardiovascular disease in free-living, overweight men and women.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab (United States), Jun 2004, 89(6) p2717-23

Samaha FF, Iqbal N, Seshadri P, et al.
A low-carbohydrate as compared with a low-fat diet in severe obesity.
N Engl J Med (United States), May 22 2003, 348(21) p2074-81

Thanks.

[Dawn]

Well first off Wayne, I've lost 95 pounds in 11 months. I guess it would make me sort of an expert. Not a medical expert but a "how to work the program" expert. I know my blood sugars have stabilized, my blood pressure is excellent, and my blood work is normal. You're not one of those "it's all water weight" type experts are you? If you are, boy do I have a few buckets of water to give to you!

Before I would answer any questions I would love to see the study you are talking as I'm sure anyone else would. I don't like flying blind into anything.



Dawn

[not2late]

Okay, I found the transcript to the BBC Horizon program. So everyone can read it and see what was concluded and how (sort of).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/atkinstrans.shtml

[waynegr]

Hi there,

By the way I am not here to start trouble, just to give the facts, if you have lost weight on it, and happy not eatting what most Nutritional experts say should be 60% of your diet, I have no problem with that.

Great you have lost weight, but I did not say it did not work, but it work's in a way, well you will be surprised, but every Nutritional expert worldwide say it was not healthy, just about every one whom I have had contact with on the WWW says the same, no I am not on about water lose.

The bbc presented the whole facts, they are non- biased, facts were from 3 not 4 sorry there, 3 lots of 60 people whom eat 3 different diets for 6 months then the data was scrutinised, and then the truth was told.

As there is a fast response to this I will pop the link in to the study tomorrow night ok, late here 1.00

Thank you Wayne

[savannah1972]

save some reading for alot of people - basically the study found that the people on Atkins were eating the same amount of calories as those on low fat low calorie - and then concluded Atkins controls appetites. Wow, thanks for all the suspense there - that was incredible.

PS - it definitely didn't say Atkins doesnt work just why they thought it did work - personally, I don't care because I know it works - if for this reason or that reason whatever...it works.

[Dieselbud]

Hi there,

By the way I am not here to start trouble, just to give the facts, if you have lost weight on it, and happy not eatting what most Nutritional experts say should be 60% of your diet, I have no problem with that.

What kind of freaking nutritional expert says that refined foods and sugar should make up 60% of my diet?????

Have you even read the book??? Dr. Atkins book, not Atkin's Nutritionals' book that is??

I cannot WAIT for this post.............. ::::::lighting candles and waiting

[not2late]

Thanks for your concern about our health, Wayne.

We've all read the literature for and against this diet. So whatever potential risks that may occur we have decided to accept them.

Next time you come across programs or literature like this please come back and post them here. We love reading about our choosen way of eating.

[Richt]

Hi there,

By the way I am not here to start trouble, just to give the facts, if you have lost weight on it, and happy not eatting what most Nutritional experts say should be 60% of your diet, I have no problem with that.

Great you have lost weight, but I did not say it did not work, but it work's in a way, well you will be surprised, but every Nutritional expert worldwide say it was not healthy, just about every one whom I have had contact with on the WWW says the same, no I am not on about water lose.

The bbc presented the whole facts, they are non- biased, facts were from 3 not 4 sorry there, 3 lots of 60 people whom eat 3 different diets for 6 months then the data was scrutinised, and then the truth was told.

As there is a fast response to this I will pop the link in to the study tomorrow night ok, late here 1.00

Thank you Wayne

Wayne - I would just like to add two points.

Firstly I am in England and I saw that Horizon programme. Twice, when it was broadcasted in January and again when it was repeated in August. I dont actually recall anyone on there saying it was dangerous. Of course I may have missed that bit.

Secondly. Ever since I have been doing Atkins I have gone back to my doctor every 3 months to get my Cholesterol, blood pressure and urate level checked. Each time my figures have dropped, and even my Doctor, a medical man has said to me that he has a lot of time for the Atkins Diet, as if it is done properly it is ok. (obviously not one of these people nutritional people, but I would have more faith in a medical man anyway.

Thirdly, can I ask you a question? How can eating a ham salad for lunch actually be bad for me? I eat healthier now than I did before Atkins.

Just a couple of humble points from me. My 2 pence worth if you like.

Rich

[savannah1972]

if the transcript Megs found is the one you are talking about here are the last three things said...obviously the first Dr. has concerns but nothing to base them on.

Dr Paul Robinson: I would not go on the Atkins diet until further studies have been done. And I would also not go on it because of the, my concerns about the physiology of the diet.

Dr SUSAN JEBB: We simply don't have any evidence of the long term health impact of diets which are high in protein and low in carbohydrate.

NARRATOR: It will take science years to understand the full impact that the Atkins diet has on the human body, for better or for worse.

[feemia]

I just skimmed through the transcript (not2late posted the link above) and I actually found it to be rather interesting and I didn't think it was really all that anti-Atkins.

The two conclusions which they came to were these:

NARRATOR: Protein makes you feel full. Increasing the amount of protein in the diet may control appetite and make people eat less than they would normally.

Nothing new there.

Dr SUSAN JEBB: We simply don't have any evidence of the long term health impact of diets which are high in protein and low in carbohydrate.

No definite proof here that Atkins is unhealthy. She didn't say that low carb is unhealthy. She is simply stating that their isn't much long term research to prove the impact, good or bad, of this sort of WOE. I don't see where the person who posted this thread is getting the idea that the broadcast was all about how unhealthy Atkins is.

[Kaysei]

By the way I am not here to start trouble, just to give the facts

Doubtful. I haven't seen your facts yet.

every Nutritional expert worldwide say it was not healthy

Every one of them? Wow!

Ok I read the story, boring as it was. I still don't see the magic answer. You said it makes you lose weight, but not in the way you think it does. Allllll righty then! That certainly clears things up! :bang

Wayne, you didn't mention whether or not you are on Atkins. Cmon, inquiring minds want to know!