Hey everyone!

[sugarkang]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

Those who want to do Atkins should not be phased by the "flu". If one gets it, it is a 1-3 day thing and most people are capable of doing their normal activities in this time. If one is experiences very bad symptoms, Dr. Atkins recommends adding another cup of vegetables or 1-2 oz of nuts or seeds. So based on mathematical probabilities, the "Induction flu" is not as bad as you make it appear.

Well I'm glad to know that it isn't as bad as I make it appear. Especially when you admitted that you never even experienced induction flu firsthand. Of course the next question would be: Well how do you know if you've never experienced it? I suppose the answer is: because you read the book and you're a moderator! Now of course, I went through induction last week and I can definitely say that I don't want to be DRIVING A CAR or anything while under induction flu, but hey don't mind me. I only have 6 posts under my name and you've got thousands so you must be right.

I swear this place is just cult-like sometimes.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by sugarkang

Well I'm glad to know that it isn't as bad as I make it appear. Especially when you admitted that you never even experienced induction flu firsthand. Of course the next question would be: Well how do you know if you've never experienced it? I suppose the answer is: because you read the book and you're a moderator!

That is actually part of it. As I have said, most people who are on this board and complained about "Induction flu" were capable to do their normal activities and got over it in 1-3 days. Furthermore, if one is badly affected by the "flu", he or she should follow Dr. Atkins' advice and add another cup of vegetables or a few nuts, not eat 50-70 g of carbohydrate.

Now of course, I went through induction last week and I can definitely say that I don't want to be DRIVING A CAR or anything while under induction flu, but hey don't mind me. I only have 6 posts under my name and you've got thousands so you must be right.

If you had read the book and not only the Atkins website, you would have known how to deal better with the symptoms.

[Georgiana]

Jasmina, sorry about your thread hijack. I have just realized that not all your questions were answered.

Originally Posted by jasmina

Sooo - I'm very excited to try this new lifestyle and I am planning on starting tomorow. I realize that I only need to lose 10 pounds but I hear that it is the hardest!

The last 10 lbs are indeed the most difficult to lose. I have been struggling with them for quite some time, but what I can tell you is that they do come off if you have the tenacity to work this way of eating.

I know that in phase one your supposed to lose 5-10 pounds but since I only need to lose 10 I hope I lose about 1 pound a week but I;m not too sure what will happen.

Since this is a lifestyle change, you are here in the long run. Fingers crossed you will lose 2 lbs during Induction, but if you don't, you will lose most of them during OWL, while you are also determining your CCLL.

Also I was wondering- since I will probably only lose around 1 pound a week do I need to do induction for longer than 2 weeks or will my body plateau?

No, you should not extend the two-week Induction phase. Based on his experience with thousands of patients, Dr. Atkins wrote that those people who can benefit from a longer Induction period are those who either have a lot to lose or are metabolically resistant.

Whether your body will plateau if you choose to extend Induction really depends on your individual mileage. Some people do, some don't. I started with relatively little to lose and I stalled after the first two weeks. My weight loss restarted once I moved to OWL and added another 5 g net carbohydrate from vegetables.

Don't forget to exercise, take some nutritional supplements and drink plenty of water.

We have several challenges on ADBB and if you are interested, there are new ones starting in April. You can find them here:
Exercise Challenges - Atkins Diet
and here:
Challenges - Atkins Diet

There is also a 6 Week Exercise Challenge. We are right in the middle of one, but you might want to join the next:
Six Week Challenge/Exercise - Atkins Diet

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by sugarkang

Well I'm glad to know that it isn't as bad as I make it appear. Especially when you admitted that you never even experienced induction flu firsthand. Of course the next question would be: Well how do you know if you've never experienced it?

Going back to the dirty stuff. sugarkang, if you have done Induction and apparently lost 15 lbs on it (as you mentioned in another thread), why don't you give everybody the chance to have such amazing results! Besides, you should not advise people to eat 50-70 g of carbohydrate and skip Induction, because you admitted that you never tried this firsthand. Well how do you know it works if you've never tried it?

Whether one loses weight or not by eating a certain amount of net carbohyrates depends on that person's CCLL and reaction to different foods. 20 g of net carbohydrate, which is the limit during Induction, is what Dr. Atkins observed it is enough to allow the majority of his patients to get into ketosis within 2-4 days. What is written in the book is not based on Dr. Atkins' guestimates, but on actual research.

[sugarkang]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

why don't you give everybody the chance to have such amazing results! Besides, you should not advise people to eat 50-70 g of carbohydrate and skip Induction, because you admitted that you never tried this firsthand. Well how do you know it works if you've never tried it?

Because I had a lot of success, I want others to have slower results? Right, because I'm just an evil person... I was on induction for two days and I felt horrible. I lost 1 lb on both days and figured that I didn't need to lose weight that quickly. FYI, I'm at 50g carbs now and STILL losing 02.-0.5 lbs daily.

Since OP was only trying to lose 10 lbs, it stands to reason that she has a fast metabolism and does not need to do something extreme like induction.

But whatever. You can lead your cult however you like.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by sugarkang

Because I had a lot of success, I want others to have slower results? Right, because I'm just an evil person... I was on induction for two days and I felt horrible. I lost 1 lb on both days and figured that I didn't need to lose weight that quickly. FYI, I'm at 50g carbs now and STILL losing 02.-0.5 lbs daily.

50 net carbs or total carbs? Not everyone can afford eating 50 net carbs, regardless of the size they are when starting the diet. If you show us research to prove that your way of doing "Atkins" works better than what Dr. Atkins himself wrote, I would be glad to read it and comment on it. However, if you don't, let's advise members to do things by the book, because what is written there was proved to work for almost everybody. Of course, these are just mathematical probabilities, but you agreed we should go with them.

[sugarkang]

Originally Posted by Georgiana

However, if you don't, let's advise members to do things by the book, because what is written there was proved to work for almost everybody. Of course, these are just mathematical probabilities, but you agreed we should go with them.

I don't have a problem with doing things "by the book." I never even said to avoid induction. I only said to be careful and to do it on the weekend. If you don't know what induction is like, it can take you by surprise. And you definitely don't want to go to work with the flu. But you wouldn't know because you've never experienced it.

My fitday average for the week is 82.4g carbs minus 16.1g fiber = 66.3g net carbs. I lost 4.5 lbs just this week.

You can't just tell everyone you know or don't know to just do induction like it's no big deal. IT'S A BIG DEAL. How do you even know that OP read the book? Don't you think it's unwise to just tell people to go on induction when they don't know what could happen?

I know there are very insulin sensitive individuals out there who swell with just a few carbs. But are you telling me that most people will get fat by eating 3-4 pieces of toast per day? Because that's 50 carbs right there. GIMME A BREAK.

[Georgiana]

Originally Posted by sugarkang

I don't have a problem with doing things "by the book." I never even said to avoid induction. I only said to be careful and to do it on the weekend.

True, you've just told her it was unnecessary, which is not what mathematical probabilities say. Remember, we agreed to go with them.

If you don't know what induction is like, it can take you by surprise. And you definitely don't want to go to work with the flu. But you wouldn't know because you've never experienced it.

While beating a dead horse is certainly a good exercise, I have already explained what one should do in case he or she has a bad "Induction flu". If you had read the book, you would have known this already. The Atkins website doesn't mention this indeed. So instead of worrying whether others have read DANDR, my advice would be to read it yourself -- it would have saved you a lot of trouble!

You can't just tell everyone you know or don't know to just do induction like it's no big deal. IT'S A BIG DEAL.

Yes, changing your lifestyle is a big deal and I am the first to admit it. This is why one should do it correctly in the first place. For someone who wants to do Atkins, "correctly" means in the way mathematical probabilities proved it to be correct, i.e. the way Dr. Atkins wrote this diet.

How do you even know that OP read the book? Don't you think it's unwise to just tell people to go on induction when they don't know what could happen?

What is unwise is to advise people to start with 50-70 g net carbs. There are remedies for the Induction flu, but then we go back to our dead horse and there are already flies around it.

I know there are very insulin sensitive individuals out there who swell with just a few carbs. But are you telling me that most people will get fat by eating 3-4 pieces of toast per day? Because that's 50 carbs right there.

I never said most people would get fat by eating 3-4 pieces of toast, nor did I say the opposite. Besides, those 50 carbs don't come alone, because you are not eating bread, meat, butter and oil. But anyway. What I have said is that in order to do Atkins correctly and maximize your weight loss results, you should follow this "diet" the way it was proved to work best, and that is not by starting from 50-70 g net carbs. You can reach this level during OWL and maintain it if it is below your CCLL. But this is not something that should be done during Induction. At least not on Atkins.

I was on induction for two days and I felt horrible. I lost 1 lb on both days and figured that I didn't need to lose weight that quickly. FYI, I'm at 50g carbs now and STILL losing 02.-0.5 lbs daily.

I think there are some chronological inconsistencies here. You said you did Induction for two days and you had the "flu" last week. Let's say you had it Sunday-Monday, because I'm nice and I want to give you enough time. So Sunday and Monday you did Induction and lost a total of 2 lbs. On Tuesday you increased your carbs to xx per day. Today is Monday. From Tuesday to Monday we have 6 days (excluding of course Monday). In total, you lost 15 lbs:

I started at 185 lbs and have lost 15 lbs on the atkins plan.

If you lost 13 lbs (15 minus 2) in these 6 days, this is a loss of over 2 lbs per day, not 0.2-0.5 lbs. Even if you started two weeks ago, that makes for a loss of 13 lbs in 13 days (6 days plus another week)... which is 1 lb per day, not 0.2-0.5 lbs. So did you do Induction for more than two days, did you screw up the math in your disadvantage or did you start "Atkins" more than 2 weeks ago, but not with Induction?

GIMME A BREAK.

Feel free to take it. I'm not the one holding you here.

[mitzimarie]

Originally Posted by sugarkang

How so? It's starting with the OWL stage and it's on the Atkins website. .

The Atkins website does have their own board... if you want to follow and give advice based on their plan, perhaps you would be happier there.

This site is based upon the 2002 Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, and advice is given based upon that.

And I've never gotten Induction flu, either.

[dominy]

Hello, I too only want to loose about 10 lb, and am on day 4 of complete **** in induction. I have always ate healthily, and am really having a hard time not having fruit and museli, and having to have 'rich' food. Am I on the wrong diet?